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Scotland Should Welcome Britain's Diversity

Posted: 01/02/2012 23:00

I remember the first time I took to the podium as one of Bristol University's Winston Cup Debating Team in 1993. We were arguing against our own B team and the title of the debate was "This House Believes in Abortion on Demand". I hadn't yet learned the crucial lesson not to debate from an emotional platform, and we took such a pounding it hurt. Never again have I made that same mistake, but I think I'm going to make it now...

In my view, the cry for Scotland's Independence is at best folly and probably one of the worse ideas I have ever heard in my entire life. To make matters worse, spin doctors within the Scottish National Party have decried those Scots who vote against them in the referendum, as traitors! Traitors No Less! Strong words from Tartan Tories masquerading as patriots, and the kind of intellectual bullying that might have been expected from Machiavelli himself in days gone by.

In a country where the Conservatives pretty much lost their deposit after after the Thatcher Poll Tax fiasco, David Cameron's words resonated for me when he called the scheduled 2014 referendum a "never-endum". Proposing a vote so far away in time is a thinly disguised delaying strategy by SNP. It creates the space for the Scots electorate to be fed a protracted diet of ill-thought-out patriotism, fuelled by the discontent established by a double-dip economic downturn. That's snide.

I am angry. My father wore the uniform of The Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders, a very proud regiment serving in what was Palestine in 1946. Just one year earlier, both of my grandfathers were interred in German prisoners of War camps during the Second World War. The stories live on in my family at least, of the united British soldiers who served over the past 100 plus years; served to defend a Union that was united by a common enemy; Germany and then the Nazis. In this new century, many of those men's descendants have fallen in Iraq and Afghanistan; is it fair or right to break up what they have been dying to defend? Is "Dulce et decorum est, pro patria mori" indeed a lie?

What the Nationalist forget to mention, is that the people of England, Wales and Northern Ireland ALL forfeited their independence to be part of this Union we call the United Kingdom of Great Britain. To me it dishonours the memory of the men and women who chose to don the uniform of a united Britain in the face of a fascist world threat. Is it really the fate of us proud Scots to turn our backs on our fellow Brits and neighbours- just because we are fortunate enough to have natural gas under our seas?

Not for me its not...

Its not just the shared military history that springs to mind. For me its the cultural history that poses the greatest reason to defend the union. Great Britain over the past 50 years has been synonymous to being on top in the worlds of music, literature, theater, science, art and sport. How can anyone seriously propose to dismantle Team Great Britain when it has stormed the bastions of media and culture from the days of The Beatles, Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, & The Who - through to Britpop; Oasis, Primal Scream and the likes? We don't hear our nieghbours to the south and west claiming these bands to be their real estate the same way we try to with North Sea Oil.

Shame on these Nationalists who argue we would be better off alone. Its simply not true and its not the point anyway. Britain is the 'creme de la creme' - top of their game - team to watch, because our diversity is our strength. Team GB is one of the biggest, best and sexiest brands on the planet. Do we really want to undo this world beating force in favour of a selfish, scots-centric view of the world - and Andy Murray? Will we really do as well in this British Olympiad year as Team Scotland?

I have two sons who were born in England, but they think of Scotland as home. I think of England as home despite being born and part raised in Scotland. I lived, studied and worked in England when the prospect of remaining in Scotland seemed dismal. I beg the Scottish people to be true to their heritage; their British heritage. We are a much reduced force alone than as part of an augmented British synergy.

As my da' would say: "Keep The Heid!" and to that I would add "Keep The Union!"

Viva Brittania!

 

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I remember the first time I took to the podium as one of Bristol University's Winston Cup Debating Team in 1993. We were arguing against our own B team and the title of the debate was "This House Bel...
I remember the first time I took to the podium as one of Bristol University's Winston Cup Debating Team in 1993. We were arguing against our own B team and the title of the debate was "This House Bel...
 
 
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15:46 on 13/03/2012
Well put .

I Would add that the UK is going through severe economic distress , and to think that Scotland can abandon ship so to speak fills me with shame .
We should all work together to solve this mess
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Allyb999
08:47 on 03/03/2012
In a country where the Conservatives pretty much lost their deposit after after the Thatcher Poll Tax fiasco, David Cameron's words resonated for me when he called the scheduled 2014 referendum a "never-endum". Proposing a vote so far away in time is a thinly disguised delaying strategy by SNP.

So a party with virtually no representation in Scotland should dictate the timing of a referendum, but yet a party with a clear majority in Scotland should not decide? So much for democracy ?
The you decide we should decide our future on how well we do at sporting events, yes definately a major point and will convince many? You say you went to university and was on the debating team, surely you had better thought out arguements than this? At a time of recession and mass unemployment, military stretched to the limits, public sector unrest and the best arguement you can come up with is Team Scotland would not do very good at the Olympics.
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Mark B Robertson
20:16 on 17/02/2012
If it is so wonderful, then tell us what the benefits to Scotland are of this wondrous Union that the Unionists keep telling us Scots about. Facts, figures, numbers, in hard cash! No woolly mythology porridge and shortbread history. How do we benefit? We know that London benefits from Westminster and its system.
10:05 on 12/02/2012
I think I would go for devolution+ if we are allowed that option. I think that the Scottish Parliament has demonstrated that it is responsible and should be given more powers. I am worried that full-blown independence might have unpredictable consequences. Clearly the author is right to stress what we have in common as the debate can tend to focus only on our differences.
09:11 on 07/02/2012
I am angry. My father wore the uniform of the Royal Air Force, was shot down over occupied France, evaded capture and made his way back to Britain before the war was over to fight again. The story lives on in my family, of a 19 year old who fought against fascism, not to defend the right of Harry George Mulligan to tell me what to think, but for me to have the freedom to choose my own path in life.

As my da' would have said, "look around you, see what is happening and choose for the right reasons".
08:59 on 07/02/2012
pathetic, distortion of fact, lacking any credibiltity, shows huffington post is a just parody of impartial news gathering. maybe editorial staff should visit Scotland and engage with real people who deal day to day with the issues like the struggle for poverty, rather than the bleatings of a Private Addiction Clinic Psychologist to the celebrity world, his job description says it all. just another ponce out of touch with reality in Scotland.
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ScottishScript
"I am not a number, I am a person!"
10:48 on 03/02/2012
Here we go again, another blog filled with distortions, untruths and ridiculous nostalgia.

Hey Harry, how can you decry Scottish patriotism while your article is one long love song for BRITISH patriotism?

“What the Nationalist forget to mention, is that the people of England, Wales and Northern Ireland ALL forfeited their independence...”

What YOU forget to mention is those people surrendered NOTHING because they never had a say.
If they lost anything it was STOLEN, not surrendered. Or is there some 1707 referendum that somehow escaped history’s attention? One that included the will of ordinary folk and women before they had the right to vote? Surprise me. I mean are you even aware of how few individuals had a say in forming the Union?

There is nothing in your post that addresses the concerns of Scots considering breaking away. We are waiting for someone on the pro-union side to present a cogent argument for our future together, but again and again all we get is redundant nostalgia.

You say Scotland will be worse off? Yeah, we’ll the only country to regain control of our oil and gas and become poorer. Now why doesn’t that ring true?

Scottish independence is NOT about the past, it’s about the future. What have you to say about the future? Don’t offer the status quo as we’ve already rejected it.

So what else you got? Because right now you’ve got nothing.
17:46 on 03/02/2012
Nice one mate, i have reached the stage where i can no longer be arsed typing out long replys to a load of illiterate garbage but you said virtually everything i would like to have.
09:38 on 03/02/2012
I'm not even a scot and I am offened by this . I'm american living in Ireland .. reading this line of bull made me feel sad for the blogger..he must be brainwashed somehow. He would do better to be proud of his forefathers and leave it at that. One has nothing to do with the other.
08:00 on 03/02/2012
I currently live in Moray, a safe SNP seat. The people I speak too who are fooled by Mr Salmonds "Tartan Fantasy" tend to be those who have always lived in Moray and have close ties to the whisky industry which is very big in these here parts. The rest of us proud scots who have travelled around the UK and Europe tend not to have an inferiority complex and are more outward looking.
And just before anyone castigates me for not being proud of my heritage......I was born and raised in Stirling to the tune of Rabbie burns and tales of Bannockburn and Stirling Bridge.
09:56 on 03/02/2012
I was born in Moray and I've lived and worked in several places south of the border since 1972. I appreciate what you say - whisky, Baxters and tourism, all a good tartan brand and they are a good earner. There's quite a number of people working off-shore as well and it is an attractive place to live - good quality of life. I don't think people will opt for full independence, they can have their cake and eat if if things remain the same, drawing more power from Westminster. At the same time they have the brilliant opportunity to give the main parties a bloody nose (Tories, almost extinct - Labour an endangered species - Lib Dems a bunch of lemings - are you a Danny Alexander fan by the way?). They could turn on Salmond just as easily. My concern is that they could be goaded into independence by the Westminster parties.
10:27 on 03/02/2012
Thanks for the reply. The point i was making is simply that I do not want the myopic masses of my fellow Scots to be fooled by the glossy spin of Mr Salmond. I am not too bothered which party is elected as one is as bad as the other but a vote for independance will see a huge burden on the Scottish people with little sign of revenue ? I work in the Oil industry and America is the main beneficiary. How can Salmond sustain free Uni places, free prescription, free care for the elderly etc. based on what, 4 million tax payers ? It just does not add up to me !!
13:46 on 03/02/2012
I totally agree. My concern is tha tpompous self=serving Westminster MPs, in the race for column inches and point-scoring, will goad people into voting for independence, nding up with a result that nobody really wanted (possibly not even Salmond whose bluff will have been called). We can only watch and wait since we are unlikely to have a vote on this.
18:54 on 07/02/2012
What sneering condescencion - that's sure fire going to win people on board the good ship SS Britannia - if you vote for independence its because you've not been as lucky as me to travel and are, therefore, backward and parochial.

I've travelled to a large number of independent countries - many of which have fewer intrinsic advantages compared to Scotland - places like Singapore, New Zealand and Denmark. Yet all of these countries are wealthier, happier, and generally more prosperous places than Scotland in just about every regard. Now as a "proud Scot", it was that engagement with those countries that made me question why my own country compares so poorly.

And frankly it woke me up to something that frequently makes me ashamed and embarrassed to be a "proud Scot" (which I am, very proud to be Scottish) - that we are quite prepared to abdicate responsibility for our own country, yet we want to play at being a country when it suits us.

So you see, it was precisely the opposite of what you are saying that made me realise that independence is what Scotland needs.
23:05 on 02/02/2012
I think this is a poor opinion piece from someone who has no idea whatsoever about the SNP, the issues or the Scottish people.

May as well just ask Joe Bloggs outside a supermarket what he thinks and print that - every bit as valid or invalid as this.

I hope you didn't pay this guy. His grammar is iffy too.
22:34 on 02/02/2012
You are obviously in denial. This article harks to the past and has no positive case for Scotland to remain in the Union. You deride the timetable of the Scottish Government - who won a majority in a Proportional Representation system - then insult the intelligence of the Scottish Electorate who you imply are gullible to a, "protracted diet of ill-thought-out patriotism, fuelled by the discontent established by a double-dip economic downturn."

How about the Europeans who also stood against Hitler? Do you now feel very European and want to be fully in the European Union? Then, in the same paragraph, you mention the illegal wars in Iraq & Afghanistan! Again not a good parallel.

Wales and Ireland did not choose to forfeit their independence but were conquered. After the Irish fought for independence & won the British partitioned the island. As for the Treaty of Union... When the Lairds in Scotland signed the treaty it was in hiding and there was rioting for weeks after: Hardly the peoples' choice! And the shared military history of Scotland and England goes back only 300 years: For hundreds of years before that they were very separate.

I have family in England and many good friends and I regularly visit London. You know what? The majority of English people I have met wish us well with our referendum. They wish they had been given the chance to have a say in their own future too. What does that tell you?
16:01 on 13/03/2012
I dont get the SNP postive vision either , it just seems to be Anti Tory cuts ?

Eductation , the Health service and the benefits system all need reform .tghey must change as the people who use them have chaged , we are all living longer and eating more .

persoanlly i would have no objection to a "workfare" scheme for benefits , a kind of civic duty scheme . it would give the unemployed a sense of purpose and tax payers will see that the money is not being wasted .
the SNP seems
18:56 on 02/02/2012
I for one am saddened by reading this article, the time totally wasted!
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AlanDente
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14:24 on 02/02/2012
I think the independence issues leave those of us who consider ourselves 'British' without a homeland.

So I'll be going to the European Court of Human Rights, obviously.

If that hook-handed dude can avoid deportation, anything's possible these days.
13:06 on 02/02/2012
The SNP did not label those who opposed Scottish independence as traitors. That is completely false. The SNP speaker of the Scottish Parliament labelled the politicians who supported the interference of the Westminster coalition in the Scottish referendum as traitors.

VERY BIG DIFFERENCE.
19:01 on 12/02/2012
Actually, all she said was those MSPs who supported the attampts by Westminster to sieze control of the referendum were anti-scottish. The "traitor" statement in the article is pure fabrication.
16:09 on 13/03/2012
What was the Speakers name ?
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11:46 on 02/02/2012
well this will be the norm for the next couple of years until the question is resolved, infavour or against independance will become irratating to say the least, everyone in the political union is entitled to thier say, you might not agree but thats democracy for you, all political parties will begin the mud slinging,the name calling,the character assasination,& no doubt the race card will be played at some point, the obvious lack of equallity within this political union is quite clear to me, as an Englishman i would advocate independance for all, but then no doubt somebody will change my mind along this long and winding road.