I remember the first time I took to the podium as one of Bristol University's Winston Cup Debating Team in 1993. We were arguing against our own B team and the title of the debate was "This House Believes in Abortion on Demand". I hadn't yet learned the crucial lesson not to debate from an emotional platform, and we took such a pounding it hurt. Never again have I made that same mistake, but I think I'm going to make it now...
In my view, the cry for Scotland's Independence is at best folly and probably one of the worse ideas I have ever heard in my entire life. To make matters worse, spin doctors within the Scottish National Party have decried those Scots who vote against them in the referendum, as traitors! Traitors No Less! Strong words from Tartan Tories masquerading as patriots, and the kind of intellectual bullying that might have been expected from Machiavelli himself in days gone by.
In a country where the Conservatives pretty much lost their deposit after after the Thatcher Poll Tax fiasco, David Cameron's words resonated for me when he called the scheduled 2014 referendum a "never-endum". Proposing a vote so far away in time is a thinly disguised delaying strategy by SNP. It creates the space for the Scots electorate to be fed a protracted diet of ill-thought-out patriotism, fuelled by the discontent established by a double-dip economic downturn. That's snide.
I am angry. My father wore the uniform of The Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders, a very proud regiment serving in what was Palestine in 1946. Just one year earlier, both of my grandfathers were interred in German prisoners of War camps during the Second World War. The stories live on in my family at least, of the united British soldiers who served over the past 100 plus years; served to defend a Union that was united by a common enemy; Germany and then the Nazis. In this new century, many of those men's descendants have fallen in Iraq and Afghanistan; is it fair or right to break up what they have been dying to defend? Is "Dulce et decorum est, pro patria mori" indeed a lie?
What the Nationalist forget to mention, is that the people of England, Wales and Northern Ireland ALL forfeited their independence to be part of this Union we call the United Kingdom of Great Britain. To me it dishonours the memory of the men and women who chose to don the uniform of a united Britain in the face of a fascist world threat. Is it really the fate of us proud Scots to turn our backs on our fellow Brits and neighbours- just because we are fortunate enough to have natural gas under our seas?
Not for me its not...
Its not just the shared military history that springs to mind. For me its the cultural history that poses the greatest reason to defend the union. Great Britain over the past 50 years has been synonymous to being on top in the worlds of music, literature, theater, science, art and sport. How can anyone seriously propose to dismantle Team Great Britain when it has stormed the bastions of media and culture from the days of The Beatles, Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, & The Who - through to Britpop; Oasis, Primal Scream and the likes? We don't hear our nieghbours to the south and west claiming these bands to be their real estate the same way we try to with North Sea Oil.
Shame on these Nationalists who argue we would be better off alone. Its simply not true and its not the point anyway. Britain is the 'creme de la creme' - top of their game - team to watch, because our diversity is our strength. Team GB is one of the biggest, best and sexiest brands on the planet. Do we really want to undo this world beating force in favour of a selfish, scots-centric view of the world - and Andy Murray? Will we really do as well in this British Olympiad year as Team Scotland?
I have two sons who were born in England, but they think of Scotland as home. I think of England as home despite being born and part raised in Scotland. I lived, studied and worked in England when the prospect of remaining in Scotland seemed dismal. I beg the Scottish people to be true to their heritage; their British heritage. We are a much reduced force alone than as part of an augmented British synergy.
As my da' would say: "Keep The Heid!" and to that I would add "Keep The Union!"
Viva Brittania!
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I Would add that the UK is going through severe economic distress , and to think that Scotland can abandon ship so to speak fills me with shame .
We should all work together to solve this mess
So a party with virtually no representation in Scotland should dictate the timing of a referendum, but yet a party with a clear majority in Scotland should not decide? So much for democracy ?
The you decide we should decide our future on how well we do at sporting events, yes definately a major point and will convince many? You say you went to university and was on the debating team, surely you had better thought out arguements than this? At a time of recession and mass unemployment, military stretched to the limits, public sector unrest and the best arguement you can come up with is Team Scotland would not do very good at the Olympics.
As my da' would have said, "look around you, see what is happening and choose for the right reasons".
Hey Harry, how can you decry Scottish patriotism while your article is one long love song for BRITISH patriotism?
“What the Nationalist forget to mention, is that the people of England, Wales and Northern Ireland ALL forfeited their independence...”
What YOU forget to mention is those people surrendered NOTHING because they never had a say.
If they lost anything it was STOLEN, not surrendered. Or is there some 1707 referendum that somehow escaped history’s attention? One that included the will of ordinary folk and women before they had the right to vote? Surprise me. I mean are you even aware of how few individuals had a say in forming the Union?
There is nothing in your post that addresses the concerns of Scots considering breaking away. We are waiting for someone on the pro-union side to present a cogent argument for our future together, but again and again all we get is redundant nostalgia.
You say Scotland will be worse off? Yeah, we’ll the only country to regain control of our oil and gas and become poorer. Now why doesn’t that ring true?
Scottish independence is NOT about the past, it’s about the future. What have you to say about the future? Don’t offer the status quo as we’ve already rejected it.
So what else you got? Because right now you’ve got nothing.
And just before anyone castigates me for not being proud of my heritage......I was born and raised in Stirling to the tune of Rabbie burns and tales of Bannockburn and Stirling Bridge.
I've travelled to a large number of independent countries - many of which have fewer intrinsic advantages compared to Scotland - places like Singapore, New Zealand and Denmark. Yet all of these countries are wealthier, happier, and generally more prosperous places than Scotland in just about every regard. Now as a "proud Scot", it was that engagement with those countries that made me question why my own country compares so poorly.
And frankly it woke me up to something that frequently makes me ashamed and embarrassed to be a "proud Scot" (which I am, very proud to be Scottish) - that we are quite prepared to abdicate responsibility for our own country, yet we want to play at being a country when it suits us.
So you see, it was precisely the opposite of what you are saying that made me realise that independence is what Scotland needs.
May as well just ask Joe Bloggs outside a supermarket what he thinks and print that - every bit as valid or invalid as this.
I hope you didn't pay this guy. His grammar is iffy too.
How about the Europeans who also stood against Hitler? Do you now feel very European and want to be fully in the European Union? Then, in the same paragraph, you mention the illegal wars in Iraq & Afghanistan! Again not a good parallel.
Wales and Ireland did not choose to forfeit their independence but were conquered. After the Irish fought for independence & won the British partitioned the island. As for the Treaty of Union... When the Lairds in Scotland signed the treaty it was in hiding and there was rioting for weeks after: Hardly the peoples' choice! And the shared military history of Scotland and England goes back only 300 years: For hundreds of years before that they were very separate.
I have family in England and many good friends and I regularly visit London. You know what? The majority of English people I have met wish us well with our referendum. They wish they had been given the chance to have a say in their own future too. What does that tell you?
Eductation , the Health service and the benefits system all need reform .tghey must change as the people who use them have chaged , we are all living longer and eating more .
persoanlly i would have no objection to a "workfare" scheme for benefits , a kind of civic duty scheme . it would give the unemployed a sense of purpose and tax payers will see that the money is not being wasted .
the SNP seems
So I'll be going to the European Court of Human Rights, obviously.
If that hook-handed dude can avoid deportation, anything's possible these days.
VERY BIG DIFFERENCE.