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Prizes for All: Why Mehdi Hasan Is Wrong About Banning Private Schools

Posted: 10/09/2012 00:00

Should Olympic champion Usain Bolt share his gold medal with his 100 metre competitors? Should a CEO be paid the same as a trainee? Should all competitions be banned?

It is unlikely that most people would say yes to the above questions, but there are a group of people who do just that. They are called 'cultural Marxists'.

Cultural Marxists are driven by egalitarianism, an ideology that decries we must all be equal. On the face of it egalitarianism seems like a good idea. Isn't it unfair that some people are born richer than others? And isn't it annoying that our boss takes home more money even though we work just as hard? The problem is that egalitarianism is at odds with meritocracy, the ideology that argues individuals should be awarded on their merits.

The world is a meritocratic place. If you are a talented sportsman, you are decorated for your victories. If you are a gifted academic, you are recognised for your intelligence. You do not, in other words, get recognition for being mediocre.

Mehdi Hasan, however, would have you believe otherwise. Mr Hasan believes that private schools, institutions where mediocrity is not accepted, should be banned. He bemoans that private schools are 'a blight on our society' and that they are 'divisive and corrosive'.

I agree with Mr Hasan's main point: there is a two-tier system in our educational system. Comprehensive schools, on the whole, are nowhere near as good as private schools. We disagree, however, on our solution to this problem.

Private schools should not be abolished, instead the state school system should be improved. Why destroy one of the educational institutions that actually works? For the sake of levelling everybody down?

The comprehensive project has failed. Even the good comprehensives, where students are able to attain the top grades, are inaccessible to working-class children because of extortionate house prises in the schools' catchment areas. Great Britain, as Mr Hasan acknowledges, has been engulfed by an educational apartheid.

The tripartite education system, introduced at the end of the Second World War, meant that prospective students would have to sit an 11-plus examination which determined where they went to school - a local grammar or secondary-modern.

Grammar schools, introduced at the end of the Second World War, gave youngsters from humble beginnings the opportunity to elevate themselves up through the social classes. Secondary moderns, though, were dubbed 'educational scrapheaps'.

Today grammar schools, seemingly too politically sensitive to touch, are banned. But why blame grammar schools for the shortcomings of secondary moderns? Grammar schools, after all, provided a rigorous academic curriculum and armed students with an education that could rival private school pupils.

The objection against grammar schools, that is wrong to segregate pupils at such an early age, is easily remedied. Introduce a reformed, modern 11-plus examination and select students at more than one point in a child's educational career.

Now, as England sits ashamedly near the bottom of the OECD education league table, we should recognise grammar schools as a solution.

 

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16:41 on 11/09/2012
'Should Olympic champion Usain Bolt share his gold medal with his 100 metre competitors? Should a CEO be paid the same as a trainee?'

The huge mistake you are making there is confusing ability with privilege. Children who are educated privately are there because their parents can afford it, not because they are intellectually superior. This dilutes the talent base in a country because elite positions are reserved for a few.

A better analogy would be to give Bolt's opponents 10m start because they can pay more, then call them winners and Bolt a loser.
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mmartini54
Roll on 2015!
16:54 on 11/09/2012
Excellent
13:24 on 11/09/2012
There are a couple of issues with private schools as I see them.

First, I would argue they are anti meritocratic. If everyone went to state schools, the level of education would be on a closer level, rather than the very best(or highest paid) teachers teaching only the elites. This would mean that truly bright students would have more of a fair shot.

Secondly, when the elites in the majority send their children to private schools, their increased funding acts as a vaccum taking the best teachers(Again in the majority). It also means that the elites are less likely to the state schools, as it would harm their children. If there where only state schools it would become in everyone's interest to improve the state schools.
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05:39 on 11/09/2012
Private education should not be abolished, but I would make two changes to it.

Abolition of the charitable status - That seems unfair to me. They're businesses, not charities

No one employed in the Executive, Legislature or Judiciary should be allowed to send their children to private school, as part of their contract of employment. Since these people make decisions about state education, they should have to use the system they manage. (I could drop the Judiciary on reflection).
22:11 on 10/09/2012
There's a faulty logic often at work in some criticism of private schools.

To explain what I mean, answer these questions
- should rich parents be able get their kids a better education just by virtue of having more money ?

There are some who think NO, but to them I'd ask these questions:

- should rich parents be allowed to get their kids an advantage by spending their money on private tutoring ?
- should rich parents be allowed to get an advantage by buying more books to have in their house ?
- should parents of average income be allowed to get their kids an advantage by buying books for their kids instead of the sky sports subscription their neighbours buy ?

Unless you want to ban the idea of some people having more money than others, or ban people spending money on anything educational, you can't realistically stop anyone choosing to spend their money on things that help their family.
21:24 on 10/09/2012
Education is always a tough subject to talk about, to me the biggest issue with all this private issue is one of the root causes of the decay of this country. Its like a form of nepotism, That is the best person does not always get the job and it will be the same with education, it's no good being rich paying thousands for a childs education when they do not need to use it. The state system fails how many people are late developers, take myself left school 40 years ago 9 o-levels could not afford to go to university or college passed my 11 plus all by hard work and plenty of aspiration but never quite made it in life through no fault of my own just i had poor parents. am i bitter? No, well sometimes. Anyway i digress i believe 11 is to young to decide or design a childs future i would like to see a comprehensive system untill 14 then a form of elite state school with comparative standards to said private schools and let the 6th form pick up the late developers, we need a fair chance for all and if the money buys quality we have gone backwards.
07:13 on 11/09/2012
You are right that 11 is too early to give children an examination that will determine their future prospects. Ironically, the private sector Common Entrance at 13 is much more sensible and fair - especially for boys who mature at a slower rate than girls.
08:01 on 11/09/2012
The problem then is that you potentially lose the bright kids who are too bored. I think the idea of multiple ages to be streamed out of comprehensive education is a good one. Pick up the bright talent at 9, 13 and 16 and provide multiple ways out for the most able at different stages of development. Alternatively, do away with national exams and let kids move out of comprehensive schooling as their teachers see fit.
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18:54 on 10/09/2012
The most important reason not to ban private schools is the principle of liberty, which is indeed often at odds with both equality (which is not truly achievable any way) and democracy (tyranny of the majority).

It's also worth mentioning that, though all three main parties claim to support comprehensive education and to oppose grammar schools, there is not a single local authority in England that is attempting to close one of the few remaining grammar schools. In many ways, the country seems to have got crazier over the past few decades. But, at least it can now be said that closing a successful state school (of whatever type) is likely to be politically suicidal for whichever politicians are responsible.
18:23 on 10/09/2012
Persoanally, I'd ban private schools as children should not be born into inequality when it comes to education. If private schools had the same class sizes as state schools, they'd functiion worse. So, all schools should have a maximum intake. Blair spouted about education and spent little. strange though he found money for wars.The tories don't want to change anything.

I agree we should have public grammar schools where the cream of the crop go. No reason to hold them back.
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Roll on 2015!
18:04 on 10/09/2012
So much ideology it's hard to know where to start.

1. Comprehensive schools are NOT intrinsically inferior to private schools, nor do they engender this mythical 'prizes for all' culture so beloved of the elitists. If comprehensive schools had the class sizes and advantaged intake of private schools, with their motivated parents, they would be as good or better. Some actually are. So let's, then, think about how to improve the intake and class sizes of our comprehensives. Mr Silvera's solution of going back to grammar schools is nothing more than tinkering with and reinforcing present inequalities. The "sod 'em" approach.

2. Mr Silvera massively overstates the poverty of the state system. Plenty of state school children reach, and do well, at universities of all grades. 65% of our Olympians were state educated. In 2010 70% of students going to the best universities were state educated. And we are NOT "near the bottom" of the OECD rankings. 25th out of 65 countries, and above the OECD average, is not "near the bottom". The OECD analysts themselves warned against politicians making political capital out of the results, the difference between 15th to 25th places being described as 'statistically insignificant'.

The state system is actually doing quite well, thank you. And it would do even better, with the full support and involvement of our so called 'betters'. Finland, the best system in the world, according to OECD, does not have private schools - they're all state.
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05:40 on 11/09/2012
Love that post, mmartini!
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mmartini54
Roll on 2015!
11:35 on 11/09/2012
Thanks UK - I like your idea about banning any charitable status. Alas some private schools are now jumping on the Free School bandwagon to gain access to taxpayer's cash.
17:24 on 10/09/2012
Perhaps HuffPo could average the number of fans for each commenter and assign the same number of fans to everyone that posts a comment. Wouldn't that be fair?
15:08 on 10/09/2012
Marxism is about state greed and has nothing to do with "equality".

In socialism the rich are the state and their friends, it is even worse than capitalism.
18:08 on 10/09/2012
Someone hasn't read Marx & Engels.
21:03 on 10/09/2012
Read... you are a walking parody.   I have seen it in action every day. The reality is not in books. 
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05:42 on 11/09/2012
Even though Jacobtruth is a bit of a loon, there's actually some truth to that. A system based on wealth, which can be earned is more democratic than one based on influence which can be acquired or inherited only.

Now which side of the line do private schools come down on I wonder? It's not clear is it?
00:51 on 12/09/2012
Clealry UKvisitor is as loon who cannot make a point.   Try again.
15:01 on 10/09/2012
The Labour party spent more money on foreign wars than on new schools and apprenticeships.

Labour also were the party to introduce top up fees to prevent the poor escaping poverty.

The governing classes, left and right wing / media, send their kids to private schools and deliberatly make state schools third rate so as to give their children an advantage.

Poverty is created by the state, it does not happen by accident.

Uneducated people on benefits is the aim of the labour party as they hope those people will have to vote labour.

There is no hope.
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14:51 on 10/09/2012
Absolute twaddle with some ludicrous comparisons. If Ian Silvera wants to bring the Olympics into his argument, perhaps he might want to remember that a quarter of GB's medal winners were privately educated, a considerably higher proportion than the 12% or so of UK children educated privately:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/08/13/more-than-third-olympic-team-gb-private-school_n_1772467.html

If that is Silvera's idea of meritocracy, he might want to take another look at himself.

A meritocratic country is something to be aspired to but when you stymie a child's chances because of an accident of birth, that meritocracy is based on something of little, if any, value.
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18:02 on 10/09/2012
David, I think you've missed the point of the article - I want grammar schools to be introduced, which will rival private schools and may even see the downfall of them.
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18:57 on 10/09/2012
Indeed. Here's an interesting fact. In 1965, just before most grammar schools were abolished, 60% of the University of Oxford's undergraduate intake came from grammar schools, the same proportion as currently come from all state schools, though of course back then there were no special measures, 'positive discrimination' and government pressure. Interestingly, despite the virtual abolition of grammar schools, a third of that university's state-school intake continues to come from grammar schools.
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David Hobbs
19:55 on 10/09/2012
Ok, point taken, but I think that would be a sop to private schools and I wouldn't expect the staus quo to change. If private schools are allowed to continue in their current state (and another commenter's mention of 'charitable status' is a case in point), nothing will really change even with a raising of standards in the state sector. Some may fall by the wayside but the elite public schools would continue because of reputation and status, leading to advantages in the workplace - the old school tie still works.

Michael Howard famously told Tony Blair in the Commons that "this grammar school boy wasn't going to take lectures from a public school boy" (not verbatim); no spring chicken, Howard illustrates, how long free and excellent grammar schools existed alongside public schools but the latter still thrived. Would it really change now?
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12:59 on 10/09/2012
hello there i dont suppose there are many people who want state schools to be made less effective..
so by general reasoning most people want states schools to improve educational standards...

HOWEVER THE POINT MUST BE MADE SO EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS IT...

UNTILL THOSE WHO MAKE THE DECISIONS ARE EFFECTED BY THE DECISIONS THEY MAKE
WE WILL NEVER HAVE A FAIR AND EQUALL EDUCATION SYSTEM ........

THE OPT OUT FOR RICH PEOPLE ALLOWS THE STATE SECTOR TO BE CUT TO RIBBONS:
BECAUSE THOSE IN POWER SEND THEIR CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN TO OTHER
PRIVATE SCHOOLS NOT EFFECTED BY THESE CUTS.......

SO THE SIMPLE ANSWER IS TO SEND ALL CHILDREN TO ETON OR HARROW AS THAT WOULD SEEM TO GUARANTEE A GOOD SET OF EXAM RESULTS AND A GOOD JOB PLUS A PLACE IN THE GOVERNMENT.................
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Yorkshire common sense
Nah then!
13:24 on 10/09/2012
And the money to pay for that would come from where?

I am all in favour of spending more and more on education as done well it boosts the next generation beyond all measure, but Eton costs lots!
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17:29 on 10/09/2012
SINCE YOU USED CAPS:

WHAT WILL STOP THEM SENDING KIDS TO SCHOOL IN OTHER COUNTRIES - PRISON?
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05:49 on 11/09/2012
There is a simpler and fairer solution Apollo.
Make it par tof the contract of employment for all members of the Executive and Legislature that they have to use the State system. They over see and manage it, oblige them to use it. I would also require them to use the NHS too.

Everyone else who can afford it should have the freedom to educate their children as they choose.
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12:53 on 10/09/2012
"Should Olympic champion Usain Bolt share his gold medal with his 100 metre competitors?"
Did Usain engineer for himself, everything required to accomplish his achievement? Or was it a Team Humanity effort? If the others had been provided with several seconds start, where would he be right now?

“Should a CEO be paid the same as a trainee?”
Or should they be rewarded commensurate with their contribution to a common endeavor?

“an ideology that decries we must all be equal”
If only the creator of the wheel had kept it to them self. We could all be walking now. If the objective of those in power is to have their line continue, then optimizing the entire human resource is the way to go. Inbreeding is an insular survival strategy that just won’t cut it.

“some people are born richer”
Survival of the artificially privileged. Is that a practical reality in terms of powering progress?

“meritocracy”
Advancement by individual ability. As opposed to inheritocracy. Advancement irrespective of individual ability. Aka, a race’s race to the bottom.

“an 11-plus examination which determined where they went”
did not function exclusively by ability. But in addition by available place numbers.

“as England sits ashamedly near the bottom of the OECD education league table”
it is those in charge who desperately require an education.
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Yorkshire common sense
Nah then!
12:49 on 10/09/2012
If you take all the smart kids out of 3 schools and collate them into 1 school then you end up with 1 good school and 2 poor (probably in more than one sense of the word) schools.
If schools can maintain good discipline then state schools should be able to get results every bit as good as a grammar. Private schools will always be better still as they have higher funding per pupil.
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05:51 on 11/09/2012
Mate, even if the results are as good the state educated kids don't have the old school tie; the connections and the sense of entitlement that their privately educated peers have. (But basically I agree with you)
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Yorkshire common sense
Nah then!
07:34 on 11/09/2012
Think you have hit on something there "sense of entitelment". This is the biggest difference I see between state and private. Private kids are taught to go for it and that they have every chance of becoming the lawyers and leaders of the future. Too many state kids have their feet anchored in clay, mainly due to peer pressure not to be the "tall poppy".
As for old boys network, of course it exists. Moreso though I think it exists at university.
I think you would be much better off going to Huddersfield 6th form and then study English at Cambridge than you would be if you went to Eaton and went to Brighton Polytechnic to study media.
Networks are formed and bonds are made at university. Mostly this isnt sinister in my experience, just looking out for the next generation.