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If We Don't Get the 'Secret Courts Bill' Right We Will Perpetuate Serious Gaps in National Security

Posted: 26/11/2012 07:35

Wednesday sees the formal dispatch from the House of Lords of what the wilder critics have named my "Secret Courts Bill". The Bill's passage has so far aroused great passion and debate - as any Bill which seeks to deliver the twin imperatives of justice and security must always do.

The denouement was arrived at last week when peers voted on the shape in which the Bill should leave their House. The three resulting government defeats triggered inevitable headlines pronouncing "chaos" and "humiliation".

But in amongst the traditional enjoyment of significant government defeats something rather important has been missed. By far the biggest defeat of the night was that afforded to a reckless backbench Labour attempt to destroy the Bill entirely.

An extraordinary coalition of world-renowned experts: senior judicial figures, QCs, former intelligence chiefs and former Cabinet Ministers came together to make clear that in their view we are faced with a genuine problem, and that extending the availability of Labour's 'Closed Material Procedures' (CMPs) to national security sensitive civil cases is indeed the solution.

The problem is worth re-iterating. It centres on the highly unsatisfactory rules which currently prevent British judges from taking sensitive national security evidence into account when deciding a case. This makes it impossible for them to untangle the claims and counter-claims about alleged British involvement in the mistreatment of detainees. Indeed it prevents them from scrutinising the secret actions of the state almost entirely.

The further side-effect of this is that because the government is prevented from putting its side of the case to the court, claimants do not have their case heard properly. The taxpayer could then be liable for the millions of pounds potentially required to pay off claims to people who have not proved their case and could be linked to terrorism.

The increasing number of these sorts of cases not only threatens to make the British legal system a hub for this sort of litigation, it has also focussed the attention of our agents and allies on the discretion British judges to look at material and agree that it would damage national security if revealed in open court but, nevertheless, decide it must be disclosed anyway. This is damaging our international reputation as a country that can keep secrets.

The House of Lords has confirmed that the obvious common sense solution to this problem is to change the law and get this material in front of a judge in a closed hearing. They are not ideal; no hearing which the claimant is unable to attend ever is. But they are at least an improvement on the total secrecy of the current system. Some justice - even closed justice - is better than none.

The strange thing is that at one time the human rights lobbies who argue so vociferously against this Bill thought the same. It was their intervention in the case of Chahal in the late 1990s that actually saw the system of closed hearings developed. Now they say that CMPs prevent the government from ever losing and put it above the rule of law.

This is hardly borne out by the evidence. Take Abu Qatada who won in a closed hearing a fortnight ago. Or Ekaterina Zatuliveter, the Russian girlfriend of a Liberal Democrat MP who won her deportation case after a closed hearing. Or Maya Evans who agreed to a closed hearing because it was the only way to get her case resolved. It is quite clear that CMPs are quite simply better where the alternative is silence.

If further proof is needed that the Justice & Security Bill is no '90 days' - or even '42 days' - it is provided by the famously liberal former MI5 chief Eliza Manningham Buller. It was her maiden speech arguing against the extension of the legal pre-charge detention period which sank that policy. By contrast she has argued compellingly for the introduction of closed hearings to "give the opportunity for... material, which may or may not reflect badly on the security and intelligence services to be looked at."

If we do not get the Bill right we will perpetuate these serious gaps both in our legal system and in our national security. We will also risk money disappearing hand over fist into the pockets of our enemies. It is through this prism that I will be examining some of the arguments that have been made for change by the House of Lords: reasoned argument I am prepared to listen to, legal purism which takes leave of reality I am not.

 
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Wednesday sees the formal dispatch from the House of Lords of what the wilder critics have named my "Secret Courts Bill". The Bill's passage has so far aroused great passion and debate - as any Bill ...
Wednesday sees the formal dispatch from the House of Lords of what the wilder critics have named my "Secret Courts Bill". The Bill's passage has so far aroused great passion and debate - as any Bill ...
 
 
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06:46 PM on 11/27/2012
Scandalous, and such a great shame that it is Ken Clarke fronting this attack. Justice demands open courts. It is one of the most respected and copied principles of our legal system, accepted since before Magna Carta. It has subsisted through far more dangerous times than we live in today. Now it is 'legal purism' is it, Ken? Shame on you.

We do have gaps in national security, we have a very substantial problem. It is this - we are a free country. Our government is subject to the rule of law. That is a great hindrance on their activities, however benign or malevolent they may be. We live with the risks of our freedom, and have always done so. That isn't legal purism, it is what we have that is worth defending.

Our court system troubles the US national security forces? Good. God forbid we should ever sink to the disgraceful depths of the PATRIOT Act, such a cowardly betrayal of their own founding principles.

Any politician playing the Abu Qatada card in justification of sweeping legislation must be treated with extreme caution. That it should be Ken Clarke is so saddening. But then he was the tobacco industry's shill for many years, wasn't he? I don't where I got the impression he was trustworthy.
03:01 PM on 11/27/2012
I'm still waiting for satisfactory answers as to what the security services knew about the July 7th bombings before the fact.
03:09 AM on 11/27/2012
There are highly unsatisfactory rules now that prevent vital evidence being submitted in criminal courts that allow criminals to escape punishment! But then, was it not you Ken that advocated criminals should be spared jail anyway?

Secret courts are the tools of a state that has lost control!
10:27 PM on 11/26/2012
Clarke's Secret Courts are as bad as The Patriotism Act in the US; both intended to use terrorism as an excuse for removing liberty. We have little enough liberty as it is in Britain now, thanks in the greater part to the alleged attacks by terrorists on the western world. Magna Carta is often misunderstood as being the freeing of people by the 'evil King John', but it never really did anything for the serf, just the wealthy Barons. Look at the fingerprints they're amassing now, the amount of people the police now hold files on who have done nothing wrong, the people being arrested for no real reason, just twenty years after the 'sus laws' were forced out.
We must fight these new laws all the way, and not give up our freedoms, well, the little we have left. Once it's gone we'll never get it back.
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01:48 AM on 11/27/2012
Spot on!
07:57 PM on 11/26/2012
How this man is still taken seriously is beyond me. He says one thing and later says something completely opposite when it suits. The man's not only a complete joke but along with the title of Minister Without Portfolio is definitely a Man Without a Brain Cell.
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07:40 PM on 11/26/2012
What safeguards will be introduced to make sure the government are unable to abuse this travesty of justice?

There is nothing wrong with the way the justice system works at present, a person has the presumption of innocence until proven guilty beyond all reasonable doubt and if you get your way it's not that far to go to a presumption of guilt and no right to legal representation.

This idea is little different from what Kafka wrote about in The Trial,
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04:18 PM on 11/26/2012
there are no gaps in our security, right now, we have supposed gaps and zero terrorist attacks.

therefore, what solution are you trying to find a problem for?

secret courts lose us a lot of liberty and gain very little security
04:01 PM on 11/26/2012
Power and control is really what this all about. Power and control require secrecy and repression. "National security" is just a cover story. As always. In the words of Dr. Johnson, "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel." Remember that!
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03:45 PM on 11/26/2012
“Gaps in National Security”
Was the drawbridge strategy that unfailingly effective against ideology in the past?

"Secret Courts Bill".
Or X, as he’s now called.

“in their view we are faced with a genuine problem”,
Might that be because views are by definition subjective and not by necessity a factual representation of reality? Very similar to what’s at the delusion-central centre of this.

“untangle the claims and counter-claims”
by introduction of voluntary MRI interrogation. Not to prove that belief in the unreal is real. But to reveal deliberate invention.

“the secret actions of the state”
Pursuing non-majority mandated policies in a ‘democracy’, for instance? So much for elected ‘guardians’ of reality.

“This is damaging”
Dealing with symptoms rather than eradicating the disease invariably is. Since costs are on-going.

“the obvious common sense solution to this problem is to”
address the cause. As opposed to expending resources in a futile attempt to counter consequential effects.

“Some justice - even closed justice - is better than none.”
Never mind erosion of excellence. Feel the exasperated expediency.
 
“where the alternative is silence”
it’s the deaf debating the dumb.

“reasoned argument I am prepared to listen to”
Each side has its narrative, and each member of each side has a variant of that narrative. But which narrative is correct? Imposing one untested narrative on top of another untested narrative is the name of this great game, is it? No wonder its best done in private.

“leave of reality”
Whose?
02:05 PM on 11/26/2012
Will the state be under any compulsion to disclose ANY evidence that might undermine their own case or can they cherry pick what they present to the CMPs ? Also, will foreign intelligence agencies be able to dictate what can be presented to the CMPs ?
The idea is fine and well argued but, like a lot of people, it makes me very uneasy.
Individual liberty and justice - vs- state security and the risk of acts of terrorism. A very thin tightrope indeed.
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01:47 PM on 11/26/2012
secret justice in secret courts where judges can rule that anyone telling the truth is guilty of a crime.

TELLING THE TRUTH SHOULD NEVER BE A CRIME

DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH .

EXTRAORDINARY RENDITION IS CALLED KIDNAPPING..............

WERE BRITISH SECURITY AGENCIES INVOLVED IN KIDNAPPING AND CONSPIRACY TO
TORTURE ??????????????????

ADMIT GCHQ MONITORS ALL ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS AND ALLOW INTERCEPT
EVIDENCE TO BE USED IN CRIMINAL CASES......................

STAND UP FOR YOUR RIGHTS AND SAY NO TO

SECRET COURTS SECRET JUSTICE AND SECRET INQUESTS

OTHERWISE WE WILL HAVE PEOPLE CHARGED WITH CRIMES IN WHICH THEY HAVE NO WAY OF CHALLENGING THE EVIDENCE AGAINST THEM OR EVEN KNOWING WHAT CRIME
THEY ARE MENT TO HAVE COMMMITTED...........

THATS NOT JUSTICE........ THATS JUST WRONG
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11:52 AM on 11/26/2012
A case well argued. As you say, better than we have at present and it is important to preserve our reputation for integrity in the world. We cannot expect other nations to share intelligence (which in this age seems pretty important) if we' re going to blow it and possibly expose people who collect it to danger. It'll be tough, though. Investigating the quality of said intelligence will raise its own problems.

What's also important is to justify the use of secret courts on a case by case basis. And the system should be reviewed periodically so us public can feel confident. It's always a matter of public confidence. Politicians are not well-trusted at the moment. The judiciary is a little better though the visible aspects, particularly sentencing policy, raises eyebrows at times.

I doubt I'd be as ready to be guided by this were it in the hands of people like Blair or Jack Straw.
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11:22 AM on 11/26/2012
Secret Courts are a dangerous path to communism this IS democratic Britain, if the Torys don't like democracy they can always go to China!.
11:01 AM on 11/26/2012
The first step on the road to a totalitarian state is the hardest,the rest get easier.
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Two 'alves of coconut!
11:36 AM on 11/26/2012
I think other negative stuff will start impacting the UK long before subversive overthrows or Big Brother totalitarianism. One such factor is going to be sheer crush of population. As global population increases, it will bleed over into most countries, including the UK. More people, more problems, more demand on utility services, more poverty, more overcrowding fewer jobs, all one big happy family. Not.  In the future, the UK may have a zero immigration policy, or at least an extremely selective case-by-case policy. And, they may have to send a bunch of people home. Britain survived WWII, I'm sure they'll survive whatever it is they're up against now...changing demographics, changing social influences...time marches on...
02:09 PM on 11/26/2012
Maybe but I am glad I am closer to the end of life than the beginning.
10:11 AM on 11/26/2012
Nicely argued case Ken. I have a lot of sympathy for what you say. I suppose, and you do acknowledge this, its the secret part that worries people.