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EU Referendum: What's Best for Wales?

Posted: 28/01/2013 00:00

There are times when history seems to speed up. We are living through just such a period. By the end of the decade Wales may be outside not just the British Union of 1707, if Scotland votes Yes, but also outside the European Union of 1973, if England votes no. The prospect of being a semi-autonomous province of a rump successor State is hardly one to generate enthusiasm. But the new prospect created by David Cameron's announcement this week of a parochial Anglo-centric future - for Wales, see Little England - should fill us all in Wales, Unionist and Nationalist alike, with horror.

There is obviously an irony, as our Scottish cousins have pointed out, in a prime minister who lambasted the First Minister of Scotland for the economic uncertainty created by delaying a Scottish in/out referendum for two years now delaying a British in/out plebiscite by five. The refusal to place a reformed British Union on the ballot paper is in marked contrast to Cameron's insistence on what amounts, in European terms, to a British version of devo-max also speaks volumes. Angela Merkel it seems is much more sensitive to the views of British voters than Cameron is to the Scots.

'Better Together' and 'Better Off Out' are obviously uneasy bedfellows as slogans go, but this reveals a hidden contradiction that is driving the tectonic shifts in politics in these islands. When the question of EU membership is posed in terms of the "national interest" it becomes blindingly obvious - we are not one nation, we are four. If the political class in England, egged on by the red-tops, wants to embrace some fading Atlanticist future, then as a democrat, despite my deep misgivings, I am forced to say good luck. But Wales - where 8% of businesses are still in agriculture, where manufacturing remains a potent force, and where we are net beneficiaries to the extent of £150 per family each year, not net contributors to the EU - things look markedly different.

The immediate effects of an EU exit for us could be the mass exodus of jobs, from car manufacturers, for example, like Ford and Toyota and the trans-European aerospace giant Airbus. The dismantling of the admittedly imperfect Common Agricultural Policy - seen universally as a sop to the French farming lobby - will be felt the keenest by Welsh upland farmers. The loss of European Structural Funds would be a particularly bitter blow having been the only game in town for the regeneration of our former industrial heartland since Thatcher destroyed the last vestiges of British regional policy. European social provisions give Welsh working people some security which could totally disappear under right wing governments at Westminster. Recent UK governments have allowed Welsh average income levels to drop to the bottom of the UK league table. Losing European safeguards will only make things worse, particularly with an England increasingly centred on the global city-state of London.

In renegotiating the relationship of the UK as a multi-national state with the European Union each of the constituent countries has different, and sometimes conflicting, national interests. The logical consequence of this is clear: each country needs to play its full part in this process and there should be Welsh Government representatives in the UK negotiating team on an equal basis. The 'Balance of Competencies' review externally - between the EU and the UK - needs to be run in parallel with an identical 'Balance of Competencies' review between Westminster and the devolved parliaments. If powers are to be repatriated, there should be specific attention as to which parliament takes up those repatriated powers, and not the automatic default that everything goes to Westminster. For example on social measures Wales should be should allowed to 'opt-in' even if England chooses not to do so.

The same principle applies to the referendum itself. The referendum results should be published respectively for England, Wales, northern Ireland and for Scotland if it's still part of the UK. Unlike Wales, Scotland does of course have the choice to avoid being dragged to the exit door of the EU if it decides to vote Yes to independence in their referendum next year. Publishing the EU referendum results respectively for each nation will encourage the UK negotiating team to take full note of the needs and wishes of the smaller nations during the negotiating process. An English vote for exit should not - by dint of sheer numbers - be able to trump a desire in Wales to stay in.

For the UK to leave the EU - which we don't wish to see - it should only be on the basis of consensus between the nations of these islands. The right-wing press, of course, may ask why a nation of 3million should dictate the future for a population 20 times the size. Yet Euro-sceptic journalists were quick to praise 'plucky' Ireland only a few years ago in stalling the Lisbon Treaty for a continent of 300million. In Europe and Britain, if we are to accept the line from London that the UK is a political union of equals then the UK has to accept that it can only move so far and so fast as is agreed by all of its members. Isn't that the very essence of subsidiarity?

The arguments for staying part of the EU - certainly with steps to make it more efficient and more responsive to the diverse needs of European regions - are more clear-cut here in Wales than as seen in England. On balance we in Wales would probably prefer to stay put.

 

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02:35 PM on 01/31/2013
I think Ms Wood needs to address the problem of the totally undemocratic vote, that handed Wales to an assembly it never gained.
The electorate gave it's answer to the nationalits call in 1979, which overwhelmingly threw their demands out.

They were never satisfied and wailed and moaned until a further referendum was allowed, this took place in 1997, the result of which, there was a minuscule 'majority' based on about a half of the electorate turning out to vote .
In effect, the referendum was 'won' by approximately one sixth of the electorate,.

I for one, and I know many others do not consider that a valid enough 'majority' to have been declared a winning one, and I see absolutely no reason why the real majority that is now in hock to a minimalist assembly so called government, that in truth, is about as useful as a snapped back, should be hamstrung with that waste of space and bunch of toss-pots in Cardiff Bay.

Ms Wood needs to attend to the fact her Cymraeg speaking MINORITY is decreasing daily, as their numbers become submerged, as they should be, by the language of the majority..........English.

She also needs to address the matter of phony, so called, democratic, results.
06:38 PM on 01/30/2013
Whats best for england is that Wales go independant with Scotland, its time to shed the old wood
11:08 AM on 01/29/2013
"The right-wing press, of course, may ask why a nation of 3million should dictate the future for a population 20 times the size."

They do; it's called the 'West Lothian Question', where MPs from Scotland and Wales can vote on issues that affect English issues, but MPs representing English Constituencies cannot vote on Welsh and Scottish issues.
12:17 AM on 01/29/2013
I want Scottish Independence, but would like to be in the EU like Norway.
I do not want the future oil revenue of an independant Scotland to end up in Brussels.
If, as we are led to believe, the UK pays at present £50M a day to the EU, how much would Scotland have to pay as her contribution ? £30M ? £40M?
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hearthammer
If left is right and right is wrong, decide!
10:08 AM on 01/29/2013
8.3% of the Brit contribution?
01:05 PM on 01/29/2013
We could but hope.
With 92% of the oil revenue, we should be keeping out of the EU if it is more than the 8.3%.
08:38 PM on 01/28/2013
What if Wales votes to remain in the EU whilst England votes to pull out? Will Wales be governed by Brussels and not London?
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hearthammer
If left is right and right is wrong, decide!
10:09 AM on 01/29/2013
Wales would be governed by Cardiff!
04:53 PM on 01/29/2013
Only if Brussels allows it
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DJPotterWriter
08:08 PM on 01/28/2013
Sometimes it seems everyone wants to be a victim nowadays. If Scotland rejects independence, you can bet the Scots will still be complaining about how oppressed they are. It'll be like the UK's equivalent of Quebec.
03:13 PM on 01/28/2013
I find that this EU referendum to be rather perplexing. Apart from the much promoted Europhobia being a non-issue in either Scotland or Wales, the main complaint about the EU in England appears to be surrounding immigration? However, that does not seem to be the reason behind the referendum, as the powers that Cameron and co say they want repatriated are more to do with employment rights. For example, the issues that seem to bother the Tories are things like the working time directive and minimum holiday entitlements, which would tend to be quite popular with most workers at the lower end of the wage scales. Yet the Tories have no intention of addressing the very issue that seems to be the main concern for these English voters.

Personally speaking, if the EU is considered to be a problem for the electorate of England then by all means have a vote on it and come to some sort of decision. But, I am afraid that the days of Scotland in particular, and perhaps Wales, accepting being constantly ignored by the overly centralised Westminster Government are numbered. For even if Scotland choose to remain as part of the UK at our referendum, you can bet your boots that the electorate of Scotland would not accept a decision that did not reflect our views or interests.

I shall now expect all the normal abuses be thrown. But, hey ho, having heard them all before, it shall matter not.
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06:50 PM on 01/28/2013
No abuse here my friend. I couldn't agree with you more.
A Welshman
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08:10 PM on 01/28/2013
In my view, an EU referendum should be held on general election day 2015, i.e. after the Scottish independence referendum. Obviously, Scotland would be excluded, if it votes for independence.
01:24 PM on 01/28/2013
It strikes me that Wales has always wanted to have its cake and to eat it. It is a small country with a small population that can only function on handouts which are essentially funded by tax payers from the rest of Europe. How can this be right? I've always found it odd that Wales wants to consider itself a nation in its own right but has little to offer in order to afford this. I'm Welsh and proud of it but had to move away in order to earn a living which i have no problem with, and could never understand why, when you take the UK as a whole which is a small area with a relatively small population, that it cant work together as one nation.
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Justinjuice
06:57 PM on 01/28/2013
Have you forgotten for genration Welsh coal fueled britains industrial revolution and many many welsh mainers died leaving thier families in poverty to enrich Englands robber barons ?
And I am not welsh.
09:44 PM on 01/28/2013
And you cannot spell.
02:53 PM on 01/31/2013
Well I am Welsh, I live in Wales, many of my friends and neighbours are ex miners, ex because there are now no pits left to be worked, or at least none that can substantially contribute to the overall economy of either Wales or Britain.

Harking back to the historical details of why the coal was extracted in past times bears little relevance to the Wales of today, and I find myself in total agreement with
Big Case, he has put his finger precisely on the button in depicting the Wales we now live in.

Most of the population cannot speak other than English, the fallacy of the case for a separated Wales is well demonstrated when looking at the failure of the nationalists brain child S4C, a TV channel transmitting in Cymraeg, to, in some instances, audiences of nil, as they are rated by the Audience researchers as with zero viewers.

Even the most popular programme, which is Pobl yr Cwm, has to be broadcast with English subtitles. to cater for those with no Cymraeg, so they can comprehend the story and plot.

I cannot see Wales, voting to leave the EU, too much of OUR economic health depends on our being members.
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06:59 PM on 01/28/2013
I suggest your genuinely held opinion is outdated and that there is a majority opinion in Wales to stay in the EU, no matter what the "British" polls suggest.
There is now a very strong case for England to go it's own way. If seperatism is what the population of England wants then may I respectfully suggest they show their strength and confidence and go for total withdrawal from all Unions?
We will miss you but if that's what you want who am I to try and stop you? Adieu.
A Welshman.
12:20 PM on 01/28/2013
Big, big danger here. England votes to jump ship ? Wales and Scotland votes to remain in ? Where is the union then ? If the polls are to be believed little England want's out ? A referendum on what ? Please would someone provide me with the re-negotiation details ? There are so many questions and no answers.
10:49 PM on 02/11/2013
"Where is the union then ?" In the history books hopefully!
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11:55 AM on 01/28/2013
What a peculiar idea of democracy its seems the tail can wag the dog.. If the majority (of everyone) votes out we leave simple as. If then Wales Ireland or Scotland want to leave the union in order to rejoin the EU they can vote and do so . I might add with the fukll support of most English people
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Justinjuice
12:19 PM on 01/28/2013
When you say Ireland, do you mean that smaller north eastern corner of the island of Ireland ? Becuase as far as i am aware the greater physical portion of ireland is an independend country which is called Ireland.
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08:11 PM on 01/28/2013
No member state of the EU can be described as independent.
02:55 PM on 01/31/2013
And, in case anyone forgot, Ireland is one of the other 26 nation states composing the EU.
03:24 PM on 01/28/2013
Or perhaps England can have a vote to seperate from everyone else?
10:45 PM on 02/11/2013
I am convinced that if England had a referendum on English independence there would be a YES vote.
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hearthammer
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09:57 AM on 01/28/2013
There will be the excuse that you elected unionists to parliament in Westminster so you WILL do what you are told!
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Yorkshire common sense
Nah then!
07:16 AM on 01/28/2013
Nice article and the points you raise are fair and balanced.

Cariad o Swydd Efrog.