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Medical Charities Are Funding Animal Experiments But They Don't Want You to Know

Posted: 24/04/2012 00:00

Today, Tuesday 24 April, is the UN-recognised World Day for Animals in Laboratories, when the public is encouraged to consider the plight of the hundreds of millions of animals exploited, and often killed, in toxicity tests and disease research. There are serious humanitarian and scientific issues at stake.

In a bid to mimic the effects of Parkinson's disease, a London medical research team injected 22 marmoset monkeys with a potent brain poison every day for five days. After the last dose, none was able to move. They sat hunched, mute and rigid in their cages, so severely disabled that they had to be hand-fed. The monkeys were then given the illegal party drug Ecstasy in the hope that it might provide insights into chemical pathways within the brain. None of this research proved beneficial to humans; rendering the suffering of the monkeys valueless.

This experiment was part funded by the medical charity Parkinson's UK. Unsurprisingly, it is not keen for the effects of this research on the monkeys to be publicly known.

As a campaigner for human rights, I am no stranger to cover-up and whitewash, and to the desire of those with power to wield it without public scrutiny. A disturbing desire for secrecy about animal experiments is shared by a number of respected, high-profile medical charities, including the British Heart Foundation, Cancer Research UK and the Alzheimer's Society. They have an annual turnover of hundreds of millions of pounds, all donated by the generous British public. Yet when seeking donations, their funding of animal experimentation is not something they publicise or want to discuss.

This reticence is understandable. A NOP poll last year, commissioned by Animal Aid (of which I am a patron), found that 82% of British people "would not donate to research charities that fund animal experiments."

Many past and current donors might be surprised to learn that some of their favourite charities persist in financing animal research that involves suffering and produces results in other species that are often irrelevant to diseases in humans. This is because people and animals have a different physiology. A drug treatment that works in dogs or cats may not work in humans (and vice versa).

Public donations finance research procedures like mice being grafted with tumours, even though such primitive techniques do little to replicate the real disease in people. Other mice have their immune systems destroyed by genetic tinkering and are then injected with cancer cells and force-fed experimental drugs. These lab experiments cause animal suffering, and produce relatively little data that is applicable to combating cancer in humans.

Charity-funded research into heart disease involves grievously injuring dogs, pigs, rabbits, goats, rats and mice to produce models of heart disease that are, in fact, very different from those experienced by human patients. Even some scientists are beginning to question the value of animal experiments.

The charities would prefer this information to remain hidden. Animal Aid has attempted to get from them details about how many animals have been used in the research that they fund and the nature of those experiments. The charities have been mostly evasive. If they have nothing hide, why aren't they open and transparent?

In an effort to get the research made public, Animal Aid wrote, in January this year, to the four above-mentioned charities, inviting them to debate the moral and scientific issues underlying the use of animals in the research they fund. None of the charities even replied to the invitation.

This stonewalling shows a disregard for the public's right to make an informed decision about which charities they donate to. Unlike the animal experiments that are funded by universities and drug companies, the research funded by charities is dependent on the public making a conscious decision to part with their hard-earned cash.

As a matter of public accountability, the charities should declare how much of their budget is spent on animal research, the nature of the experiments and the species, number and source of the animals used. The results of the research, including any medical benefits gained, should be published in terms that are specific, rather than rhetorical or speculative.

The public can then assess whether the suffering inflicted is justified and whether the research produces any tangible medical progress.

On the available evidence, despite millions of pounds being poured into animal-based experimentation, the practical benefits to patients are rather slim. Using 'animal models' of human diseases involves mere approximations. How new drug treatments work in lab rats is not a reliable indicator of how they will work in people. We are not rats.

Experimental cancer drugs, often developed using mice with crude genetic alterations, almost always fail in human trials. Heart-damaged rabbits showed cardiac improvements when injected with bone marrow stem cells, but trials in people continue to disappoint. Mouse models of Alzheimer's have been mostly useless in developing new treatments. Experimental drugs like dimebon, tarenflurbil, tramiprosate, semagacestat, and bapineuzemab all worked on animals but failed in people.

A growing number of medical researchers are aware that animal experiments are a poor guide to human diseases and treatments. They, consequently, reject them and concentrate on a range of human-based research techniques, such as donated tissue and organs, cell cultures, computer modelling and scanning and the still vital methods of clinical observation, autopsy studies and epidemiology. Some of these alternatives have been used by the Dr Hadwen Trust for Humane Research to secure medical progress in understanding a range of illnesses, including HIV, diabetes, breast cancer, asthma, meningitis and liver disease. It gets results that are directly applicable to humans, without causing animal suffering.

The generous public have a right to know if their donations are being used to fund animal research. Secrecy is not justified when the lives of so many species, including our own, are on the line.

 
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Christos Palmer
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12:19 PM on 04/28/2012
Its a shame we couldn't experiment on the politicians instead of these beautiful creatures.
05:10 PM on 04/26/2012
Thanks for this piece! Before making any donations to medical charities, I always check to make sure they don't fund animal experiments by going to the Humane Seal site: http://humaneseal.org
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12:20 PM on 04/28/2012
@Carrie008, thanks for the link, bookmarked :)
10:21 AM on 04/26/2012
Another example of the abuse caused by those supposedly saving human life and limb.

In 1999 in the US a teenager, Jesse Gelsinger, died of the same symptoms as the TGN14412 victims while on a gene therapy trial .

The really shocking part of this human experiment is that, only as a result of Jesse's death, did another 652 adverse reactions (Lancet 5/2/2000) to gene therapy get reported to the US National Institute of Health. Many of these belated detailed "symptoms reminiscent of those that presaged Gelsinger's death" (The Washington Post 31/1/2000)

If this information is kept hidden over what happens to humans how much easier to use animals as 'tools' of this disgusting experiment trade and keep mum about it. Which they do.

So congratulations Peter T for opening up the debate and the Huff for printing it.
09:35 AM on 04/26/2012
Remember the TGN1412 human trial? It caused catastrophic systemic organ failure in the 6 men used. This was despite being a supposed subclinical dose - 500 times LESS than the dose found safe in different animals. (N.S 14/8/2006).

In an article discussing what might cause different cancers. A quote from Prof.Sikora (one of the leading cancer experts in the UK) is very telling. On breast cancer and the link with plastic food containers which contain a compound called BPA which affected how MICE responded to oestrogen, which fuels most breast cancers in humans.

Prof Sikora said: "A lot of people have very strong ideas about this theory, but the evidence is poor. This was a mouse study and as a result, it is pretty meaningless. Mice only live for two years, so their lifespan is in no way comparable to ours. They would have also been given large doses (for them) over a short period. I would not worry about using plastic bottles or storage containers."(D Mail 15/11/2011)
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12:29 PM on 04/28/2012
See discussion of TGN1412 trial in comments further down.

The study you refer to was useful in various ways; it just wasn't useful as a predictor of long term exposure in humans. These kinds of studies (long-term exposure studies) are notoriously difficult to do. That doesn't mean all animal research is pointless.
03:22 PM on 04/28/2012
If you vivisectors can't accept this appalling TGN1412 catastrophe as an example of the pointlessness of animal abuse then there really is no hope for you - even less for the animals 'tools' you types will go on abusing in your work. Well I guess it is interesting to the curious and desensitised - like smashing apart a clock to see how it works.

As to TGN1214: subsequent research found a non animal answer damn quick to how TGN1412 worked in humans by using human white cells mixed with endothelial cells which found it could predict the massive health problems suffered by the human volunteers.
02:30 PM on 05/21/2012
You've misread his meaning there - mice having a different lifespan is not the same as mice responding differently to humans to oestrogen. Also, under your reasoning, more drugs like TGN1412 would make it to human trials than is currently the case.
05:20 PM on 04/25/2012
As a medical doctor, and co-author of an Animal Aid report on charity-funded animal experiments, (http://www.animalaid.org.uk/images/pdf/booklets/victims.pdf), I consider Mr Tatchell’s article to be accurate. The manifestly inhumane Ecstasy experiments on marmosets have been a dead-end in producing treatments for Parkinson’s dyskinesias. The paper Blue Sky Science offers details cruelty that many will find repulsive, with the monkeys suffering severe disability and madness.

Experimenters gave these animals Ecstasy derivatives, despite stating that they cannot be used in humans. The infliction of suffering is again justified by speculation – the work ‘might’ produce leads for drug development. However, clinical trials with serotonergic agonists (one of the few putative ‘leads’ linked to this cruelty) has not produced viable treatments - just a list of failed drug trials. http://www.nature.com/nrd/journal/v10/n5/fig_tab/nrd3430_T2.html

The claim that charities are being secretive is also warranted. When they publicise animal experiments, it is in a highly selective, hyperbolic fashion. There is no evidence that the BHF zebrafish mutilations will translate into clinical benefits, for example. A proper breakdown of funded research is essential, especially as the benefits identified are few compared to the litany of failures. Unlike the charities, we answer their points in detail, and frequently find that even specific ‘successes’ turn out to be highly contentious:

http://www.animalaid.org.uk/h/n/NEWS/news_experiments/ALL/2631//
09:54 AM on 04/26/2012
Um, wow. You understand that “An experiment is a methodical trial and error procedure carried out with the goal of verifying, falsifying, or establishing the validity of a hypothesis”, right? And you understand that the principle that “the work ‘might’ produce leads for drug development” is the principle behind all drug development that ever occurred, don’t you?

You seem like an advanced reader, so here’s a whole article on what an experiment is on Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experiment.

Once you’ve read that, you should be able to grasp why, for BHF to be able to produce evidence that zebrafish trials would lead to clinical treatments, would require them to either build a time machine that can work in both directions. This is no more a reasonable request than asking you to produce documentary evidence that the trials will *never* lead to clinical treatments in the future.

Thanks for the news link, though- as you say:

“…long-term toxicological studies on rats produced a high percentage of large and fast-growing liver tumours. Had these revealing rat tests been completed before the drug was marketed, there would have been powerful calls to prevent its use in cancer patients.”

Which would neatly sum up the value of animal research in the safety testing of drugs if it weren’t for your claim that tests on animals are not indicative of a drug’s effect on humans… Impressive act of doublethink though!
11:19 AM on 04/26/2012
lol
05:16 PM on 04/26/2012
The experiments are not testing hypotheses in the sense you are describing, as is clear from the papers. They are supposedly designed to discover more about human disease, a patent absurdity when the animal subjects don't even suffer from the same conditions. Drug development using animal models is a costly, time-consuming, unethical embarrassment. The vast proportion of drug candidates fail in Phase III trials - despite powerfully positive results in the animals used to develop them. There is a proven tendency in experimenters to generate and report these positive results, and to chose species or traits likely to do so. How many times is the same junk science to be repeated before concluding that the basic methodology is at fault?

Your point regarding the zebrafish experiments is also odd. In your permissive world, just how wacky does basic science have to get before it becomes off-limits? The clear physiological, evolutionary and biochemical differences between humans and fish are plain to most people, and render the whole premise of this work redundant.

Lastly, the tamoxifen example requires no doublethink at all. Your out of context quote misses the point completely - tamoxifen is safe for people and toxic to rats. If longer-term rat studies were the toxicological gold standard (and why not? The choice of species is often arbitrary based on convenience), the drug would have died - along with a multitude of breast cancer patients who have subsequently benefitted. By the way, any answer to the other two examples?
10:18 AM on 04/27/2012
Sigh. All experiments test hypotheses. Whether the hypothesis is proved valid or not, the experiment is a success.

Animals and humans do suffer from the same diseases. Rabies? Ebola? I don’t know how you could claim they don’t, and thdis is one reason I can't be bothered to unpick your other highly selective examples. There is an astounding amount of common ground, because we evolved from the same common ancestor, although of course the animals are not required to suffer from precisely the same conditions to produce useful data.

Similarly, if you don’t know how zebrafish are similar to humans, you probably shouldn’t be commenting on them. Blood function and heart development are very similar, as are embryonic stages of development and much, much more. Please research this topic before commenting further.

You are presumably saying that you would test all drugs directly on humans, so we wouldn’t miss all those drugs that are struck out because they kill the current test subjects. I would like to contend that would lead to a dramatic increase in Phase III fatalities and atrophe in the numbers of willing test subjects.

The rats in the Tamoxifen test may yet turn out to be relevant. One of the known side effects is uterine cancer, amongst other things. Something in its action leads to secondary tumours in both humans and rats, so to say it’s "safe for humans and toxic to rats" is a confident, convincing, incorrect, unscientific, unsupported assertion.
04:34 PM on 04/25/2012
Great article!!! Thank you - please do share more news like this to educate people. It makes me very angry that these charities pull the wool over supporter's eyes. While I realise some people will not be concerned for the animals (which I don't understand but there you go!) it is still not right for experiments to be carried out on species that do not relate to humans as it is a waste of money. I cannot imagine the fear and pain that these poor animals go through and in this day & age animal experiments should not exist.
03:53 PM on 04/25/2012
As someone who is closely allied with Animal Aid’s campaign against the use of animals by medical charities, I would like to express my full support for Peter Tatchell and his important message. The issue of animal experimentation will not go away until it has been dealt with in a transparent manner.
As a veterinary surgeon I prefer to use scientific arguments when debating animal experiments because it is possible to reach a conclusion, about whether or not animals can predict human response, based, not only on empirical facts and figures but also on established theory of evolutionary biology and complex systems. Readers with an interest in science are invited to consult the following peer reviewed articles, which explain why the animal model cannot be used to predict human response, using indicators such as sensitivity, specificity, positive and negative predictive values:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2642860/?tool=pubmed

http://www.futuremedicine.com/doi/pdf/10.2217/pme.11.89

Most people would ask why anyone would suspect that animal testing doesn’t really work? The answer to that question is provided by the pharmaceutical industry itself. Their data show that the correlation between animal toxicity (before clinical trials) and drug side effects seen in people during drug development is no better than tossing a coin.
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04:31 PM on 04/25/2012
Thank you for your very comprehensive comment, very interesting indeed!

I would like to be your first fan!
10:21 AM on 04/26/2012
Gosh, here’s another one. Prediction isn’t the only value of an experiment. As the abstract for one of the studies you’ve reported here says “We enthusiastically acknowledge that animals can be successfully used in many areas of science, such as in basic research, as a source for replacement parts for humans, as bioreactors and so forth.”

And why is this?

“These uses are not included in our definition or critique as there is no claim made for their predictive power.” So the value of the experiment is not dependent upon its predictive power.

But that’s not my favourite quote from that paper. Here’s my second favourite:

“If we did not allow on the market any chemical or drug that causes cancer, or is teratogenic, or causes severe side effects in any species, then we would have no chemicals or drugs at all. Furthermore, there is a cost to keeping otherwise good chemicals off the market. We lose: treatments perhaps even cures.”

And here’s the winner: “This paper has been made possible in part by a grant from the National Anti-Vivisection Society of Chicago”
11:30 AM on 04/26/2012
Society tolerates animal suffering and animal research on the premise that animal tests can predict safety and efficacy of drugs and other chemicals. The hard scientific evidence shows that this is clearly not the case. Once the public figure this out, most animal researchers will be applying for jobs as plumbers. Can you provide a single peer-reviewed article that demonstrates the positive predictive value (PPV) of animal data as being better than a coin toss?
Southern law girl
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12:07 PM on 04/26/2012
But seetaj, all research is funded by governments, some organisation or other, it would be most difficult to rule out bias in every area. Most or possibly all NGO's, MNGO's, think tanks, charities, to mention but a few, are mostly all funded by those who have an interest in one may or other - it happens!
01:46 PM on 04/25/2012
What is the world coming to when animal life is valued above human life? If animal testing can save people then it is immoral to deny a person with serious diseases hope of a better future!
I remember a couple of years ago a 70+ year old man named Ekram Haque was in the street with his 3 year old granddaughter and was set upon, for no reason, by 3 "youths" who killed him. For no reason! The murderers got a mere 2 and a half to 3 years in prison. Did anyone bat an eye-lid? No! Did anyone lobby their MPs for justice? No! But when that crazy woman put a cat in a wheelie-bin it sparked national indignation! How pathetic that a cat in a wheelie-bin causes more anger than people literally getting away with murder. That is what our society has come to! People place animals on a pedastal but are barely moved by human life.
If there was a chance of curing some of the world's most devastating diseases, like ALS, Parkinsons, cancers, etc, then i would gladly test drugs on every single animal in existence. It is is immoral and a disgrace that you people place animal life above human life! The decline of religion as a moral guide has led to this type of skewed outlook! While people literally starve to death in Africa, Asia, etc, you people give money to the RSPCA! Disgrace
12:27 PM on 04/25/2012
This is such an awful thing and I wont donate to these charitys as I have known for some time about the cancer research charity using animals. I have MS and will be needing meds in the future but having said that id rather go without them than have them tested on animals.
09:09 AM on 04/25/2012
The Vegan Society will give you a list of bad charities ie those that experiment on animals. The
Vegan Society can be contacted on line. Diabetes UK also is a bad charity.
11:15 AM on 04/25/2012
Another person who thinks 300million diabetics should just die in a ditch. Quite how the vegan society thinks we get animal medicines is another question.
06:44 PM on 04/25/2012
How wrong you are. I have had Type 1 Diabetes for 53 years. Do the diabetics who inject Analogue insulin not realise they are being experimented on? Many bad side affects including Adult Sudden Death Syndrone can be attributed to this type of insulin. I have done my own research and no way will I use this. Stains also are given to diabetics on mass. Another long term experiment as it is not known what will happen to people taking these drugs for 20 or 30 years. There is no need to use animals, for experiments when thousands of people, are already apart of a government backed strategy, to experiment on the population of this country.
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06:31 AM on 04/25/2012
So Very, Very Sad ! What does that tell us about some humans? Is it evilness, stupidity or what? It reminds me of and old Burl Ives song, "They'll Do Anything For Money"
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09:13 AM on 04/25/2012
I'd recommend you read some of the comments further down regarding the benefits of animal research. It is extremely costly to perform, and it is a legal requirement for all new drugs to be tested on animals, so I don't think the money argument holds up. It happens because it brings real benefits: http://www.understandinganimalresearch.org.uk/your_health
10:30 AM on 04/25/2012
Because there is a legal requirement does not mean the law is right or moral ! The law used to ban women from voting;allowed slavery; child labour; bear baiting;cock fighting;badger baiting; killing pigs with a pike; slitting animals throats without prestunning ( still allowed for halal and kosher );etc. I could fill this page with examples of what the law allowed.The law has always protected the wealthy and people in positions of power and authority. It still does.The majority of " NORMAL " people cannot afford to use the law. Some politicians act with conscience, which is why laws get changed but many use their political career to represent their business friends who gain financially from bad or immoral laws. It took decades to get the plimsol line put on ships because the profits from a fully laden ship made up for the loss of some ships and the deaths of sailors.Dont confuse the law With being right and moral.
Several years ago, a group of humans agreed to have a minute dose of a drug tested on them. They went into organ dysfunction, lost limbs and some died. This drug had previously been tested on our closest primate relatives, chimps, at doses hundreds of times higher than in the humans, with no ill effects.
Putting morality and compassion aside,the animal model is completely misleading for finding human cures.
Some people will always defend the indefensible. Good law should protect us from such deviants.
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05:46 AM on 04/26/2012
Here in the U.S. I recently watched a program about a drug testing facility that had many primates in cages for testing drugs on, but they said they have not been used in years because they now have analyzing machines that can do the job of determining if a drug will be safe on humans. They are keeping the animals just in case they may need them in the future, but they did not know if that would ever become necessary. I don't know how well the machines work or how much better they can become, but it does seem like something that should be given a lot of genius attention and further development. I do agree with the comment, that some look more to how they or their group can make money rather than to what is best for all concerned. There should be people with very high moral ethics and knowledge of the latest developments and advances in related technologies looking into the rational in all such procedures so resources are not wasted on old procedures that only transfer money to people doing research that is not as beneficial as could be done.
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11:08 AM on 04/25/2012
Agree, very sad indeed! Human beings can be very cruel! If they can be cruel to each other, then I dread to imagine what they are prepared to do to animals! I am an animal lover, I have a cat, he is elderly now, but when I hear about all these dreadful things I look at him and imagine how I would feel if he were the victim. Put simply, these animals are victims!
02:55 PM on 04/25/2012
Well, some cats would have been tested on to save your cat. Would you rather sacrifice your cat and thousands like him to save the few hundred used in research?
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03:24 PM on 04/25/2012
Feel free to imagine horrible things; why not look up what actually happens in animal experiments?
05:44 AM on 04/25/2012
I donate to several charities. I would like to know all the charities that use animals in their experiments. I know some of my donations go direct to the animals for their care, butI am surprised at Cancer Research, British Heart Foundation and Alzheimers and so on. I will rethink on where to place my donations.
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09:14 AM on 04/25/2012
They all acknowledge on their web-sites that they use animals in their research. Testing on animals is a legal requirement when testing new drugs.
09:24 AM on 04/25/2012
I have never visited their websites, but I shall do. Thank you for letting me know
08:46 PM on 04/25/2012
“Testing on animals is a legal requirement when testing new drugs”

Can you quote or refer specifically to the actual law which states this please.
11:47 PM on 04/24/2012
Precisely the reason I only donate to guide dogs, hearing dogs, air ambulance and animal welfare charities
05:02 PM on 04/24/2012
Well, Peter starts with the untruth that "Today, Tuesday 24 April, is the UN-recognised World Day for Animals in Laboratories"- it isn't, see http://www.un.org/en/events/observances/days.shtml#apr - and it all goes downhill from there, as several replies have already pointed out.

His comments on Parkinson's disease are also pretty off base, as the studies of the mechanisms through which Ecstasy/MDMA can reduce Levodopa induced dyskinesia in Parkinson's disease were prompted by observations ina human Parkinson's disease patient who took the drug. While Ecstasy is not itself a good candidate for use in treating the disease due to its obvious side effects, research is being undertaken to work out how it exerts its beneficial effects in Parkinson's disease in order to guide the development of future therapies http://www.jneurosci.org/content/31/19/7190.long

Of course research using the MPTP model of Parkinsonism in non-human primates has made very important contributions to the development of new therapies for the disease, for example deep brain stimulation of the Sub-thalamic nucleus http://speakingofresearch.com/2012/03/15/a-brief-history-of-deep-brain-stimulation/
04:19 PM on 04/24/2012
The arrogance of vivisectors and their fans. They experiment on animals because drug companies want protection against litigation and politicians, terrified of the influence of these companies protect them with immoral laws. Religous groups proclaim man has a soul but animals do not, this was their justification for supporting slavery. Animals feel the same physical, emotional and psychological pain as humans. A human can rationalise torture but an animal would have the same despair as a 2 year old child.Using an animal that cannot object is the same brutal cowardice as rapists and bullies. If there were no animals, vivisectors would probably use the mentally handicapped or go along ethnic lines. just as the Americans did on afro carribeans in the 1930's etc. Technology is evolving, providing true scientific breakthroughs, yet a minority of immoral psycho's want to retain barbaric 19C unscientific torture.
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04:39 PM on 04/24/2012
Wow, the only vaguely correct thing you said was the sentence about religious groups.
09:17 PM on 04/24/2012
I think you should marshal your arguments before seeking to belittle an opinion
06:13 PM on 05/01/2012
If you think the only 'vaguely' correct thing that was said was about religious groups then you SERIOUSLY need to open your peripheral vision. However, before you do that I would suggest that you go within and get in touch with your 'heart of hearts' (the one that is connected to EVERY living thing in this universe) and open your heart a great deal wider !!!
08:15 PM on 04/24/2012
I can just about understand that kids indoctrinated by religous parents become non thinking adults. I can only assume vivisectors have gone through the same sort of indoctrination , growing up. Jamie Bulgers killers were kids, allowed to grow thinking violence was normal. Almost every serial killer had a history of abusing animals before moving on to humans. I have lived with a debilitating medical condition all my life. During the darkest times, a source of comfort was the company of animals. Man is an animal that evolved from the same origin as all other animals, so as you are not using the religous card for feeling superior to other animals then who is giving you the right to abuse ? You obviously do not empathise with living creatures, so I would not trust you to help humans either. That leaves money as your God and motivation to back evil,cruelty.Genocide is comitted by people who believe their tribe,group,sect etc. is superior to another. I can only assume this basic human flaw is also in the mind of people who feel they can torture one animal in the hope of being given money in the pretence of " curing human disease". After cancer,heart disease and stroke the fourth biggest killer are the side affects from medications. I will not persuade you with words as to believe torture is ever moral is in itself an ego or arrogance akin to a mental illness.
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09:55 PM on 04/24/2012
Side effects from medications are not the fourth biggest killer: http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs310/en/index.html
Curing human disease by engaging in animal research is no pretence: http://www.understandinganimalresearch.org.uk/your_health/
I'm afraid I do engage in speciesism. Your argument about money doesn't make any sense.

Sorry to hear about your illness.