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Democracy Is About More Than Getting Your Own Way

Posted: 12/02/2013 00:00

I'm sorry Sam Parker feels that Tony Blair robbed a generation of their faith in politics. But he seems to be confused about the reasons why the disillusionment set in.

More than a million people marched against war in Iraq, and yet our democratically-elected government didn't allow that to change foreign policy. "Naively", he writes, "I thought a million people people marching past his window would be impossible to ignore."

Well, yes, that was a naive expectation. But he was 16 at the time, so a degree of naivety can be expected. But to look back at those events from the perspective of a world-weary 26-year-old and to come to the same conclusion as his teenage self did in 2003? That's rather... interesting.

The question that springs to my mind first of all is, who told young Parker that a demo would change government policy? What precedents existed at the time to give such confidence to the marchers? The protest marches against Vietnam, or pit closures? Or for nuclear disarmament? Even the anti-poll tax demonstrations would have had no effect if opinion polls had given Thatcher a glimmer of hope of overtaking Labour.

By historical standards, the march through London on 15 February 2003 was certainly large. But did the marchers seriously expect to change Britain's foreign policy? Did we, even then, want a prime minister who would abandon his convictions, however much they disagreed with them, at the first whiff of public protest?

This is a very modern political paradox: opinion polls and received wisdom tell us the public want politicians of conviction. And also politicians who will listen to the people. But also politicians who won't decide every policy by focus group or opinion poll.

You see the problem?

But a million marchers? Surely unprecedented? Perhaps Mr Parker believes a sliding scale should be adopted as a constitutional mechanism for deciding policy? More than 750,000 out on the streets, then it's a done deal - the marchers' views are immediately implemented by ministers. Between 500,000 and 750,000 would force the government to launch a public consultation on whatever issue so infuriates the protesters. Fewer than 500,000? Well, that's their fault for not organising well enough, obviously...

Parker's article reheats some of the tired old arguments about poodles and Dubya and Blair: The US president eventually made "us" despise our prime minister as a result of their association. The writer doesn't quite identify who he meant by "us" - given Blair's record-breaking third election victory two years later, I guess he meant the anti-war protesters rather than the population as a whole.

"When the president said he believed Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, Blair said he believed it too." And here we have the familiar re-writing of history through the prism of the subsequent non-discovery, post-invasion, of Iraq's WMDs: no-one except the US (and therefore, subsequently, Blair) believed Saddam would ever be so beastly as to own WMD. Except that at the time, the vast majority of people and nations - even most of those who opposed war - accepted they existed. Those whose families had actually been wiped out in their thousands by them had particular reason to believe they were real and not a figment of Bush's imagination. It is only now, ten years after the failure to discover the presence of what most western intelligence services concluded existed, that the arguments of 2003 have been subtly revised. I lost count of the number ofd times I took part in TV and radio discussions with opponents of war, and I can't recall one who claimed that the WMD didn't actually exist. Far more often came the rather unpleasant and absurd argument that sure, Iraq may have WMD, but so has Israel! What are you going to do about that, eh?

So Blair came to the conclusion that Iraq owned WMD not because Bush told him (to be fair, Parker's article is the only one I've ever read that posited such a ridiculous scenario) but because the British - and many other nations' - security service told him so. In the run-up to war the argument wasn't between those who wanted to disarm Iraq and those who said he had nothing to disarm, but between those who wanted to disarm Saddam and those who didn't.

And since Parker cites the "peaceful Swede", Hans Blix, who "swept into the darkening saga like a comforting beam from a lighthouse", it's worth at this point quoting from his report into Saddam's regime, delivered to the UN on 27 January 2003:

"Iraq appears not to have come to an acceptance - even now - of the disarmament which was demanded of it and which it needs to carry out to win the confidence of the world and to live in peace." On the subject of chemical weapons, Blix reported: "The discovery of a number of 122 mm chemical rocket warheads in a bunker at a storage depot 170 km south-west of Baghdad was much publicised. This was a new bunker and therefore the rockets must have been moved there in the past few years, at a time when Iraq should not have had such munitions."

On biological weapons: "I have mentioned the issue of anthrax to the Council on previous occasions and I come back to it as an important one. Iraq has declared that it produced about 8,500 litres of this biological warfare agent, which it states it unilaterally destroyed in the summer of 1991. Iraq has produced little or no evidence for this production and no convincing evidence for its destruction. There are strong indications that Iraq produced more anthrax than it declared and that at least some of this was retained after the declared destruction date."

And on the issue of missiles: "In particular, Iraq reconstituted a number of casting chambers, which had previously been destroyed under UNSCOM supervision. They had been used in the production of solid fuel missiles. Whatever missiles these chambers are intended for, they could produce motors for missiles capable of ranges significantly greater than 150 km... Iraq also declared the recent import of chemicals used in propellants, test instrumentation and guidance and control systems. These items may well be for proscribed purposes. That is yet to be determined. What is clear is that they were illegally brought into Iraq, that is, Iraq or some company in Iraq circumvented the restrictions imposed by various resolutions."

In recent weeks, I have been contacted by constituents who have asked me to represent their anti-equal marriage views in parliament. I have had to remind them that I am a representative, not a delegate; democracy is as much about being accountable to the electorate for decisions already made as it is about sticking a finger in the air to decide which way the wind is blowing and then to vote accordingly. Had everyone who feels strongly against same sex marriage taken to the streets of the capital last weekend, it's quite possible they could have numbered more than a million. But supporting the Second Reading of the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Bill would still have been the right thing to do.

That's not a reason to lose faith in politics. And at the risk of causing offence to Mr Parker, is he sure that he is so representative of his generation that he can authoritatively state that his loss of faith in politics was also the experience of everyone else of his generation? Reduction in turnout at elections continues on its historically inevitable downward trajectory, but is the increase in disillusionment among his own age group that much greater than in every other?

Is not getting your own way really reason enough to disillusion anyone about democracy? For my generation, defeat on issues about which we felt strongly was painful, but we never assumed we had some God-given right to get our own way just because we really, really cared. There is surely a better reaction to defeat than shouting "It's not fair!" then slamming the door and taking your ball home.

Parker is representative, however, of one group of people: of an anti-war movement which thrives on misrepresenting Blair and those who followed him into the lobbies as America's "poodles". The truth is that we did what we thought was necessary to deal with a regime that had already caused millions of deaths in the region and, all evidence suggested, would cause more if left to its own devices. Do not assume that those who took to the streets in February 2003 were any more sincere in their views than those of us who, with heavy hearts and grim determination, walked into the "Aye" lobby a month later.

 

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09:12 AM on 02/22/2013
Good article. I would also say that the Iraq war is the only war that the UK entered following a full debate and vote in the House of Commons. For an unwritten constitution that precedent is a great one, even if the war was a mistake.

The Iraq war (that I opposed and protested against at the time) was actually the most democratic war we ever fought. Hopefully for ever more that minimum standard of a full debate and vote will be the norm, not a mere statement to the house or a radio broadcast saying

""This morning the British Ambassador in Berlin handed the German Government a
final Note stating that, unless we heard from them by 11 o'clock that they were
prepared at once to withdraw their troops from Poland, a state of war would
exist between us.

I have to tell you now that no such undertaking has been received, and that
consequently this country is at war with Germany.
12:38 AM on 02/22/2013
For the most part, hitting the nail on the head.
Generally any "anti" movement is blighted narrow-mindedness,
04:51 PM on 02/20/2013
Blair was so wrong as I have said before, that part of the world is not worth losing one British life.
04:24 PM on 02/14/2013
I agree with this argument even though I was, and still am opposed to the war in Iraq and all the other interventions be they direct or by proxy. Yes I have marched, against the US in Viet Nam, against the bomb, against unemployment and against the Poll Tax. Some of these have been very large demonstrations, but 1m ?
Given that public opinion is often uninformed and more often misinformed, I would fear a world ruled by the "majority" never mind a world ruled by a vociferous minority.
10:17 AM on 02/13/2013
A Million marched and waved their banners, whilst the other god knows how many Million's went to work.
How wonderful for the people who marched that day, knowing that everyone else would keep things going for them.
Cheers, you are most welcome.
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mmartini54
Roll on 2015!
11:58 AM on 02/13/2013
F&F Some of us have to keep the home fires burning mate, while the 'intelligentsia' do their protesting.
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mmartini54
Roll on 2015!
12:08 PM on 02/13/2013
Agreed. At least they could have the day off work.
10:05 AM on 02/13/2013
So, not much support here Tom.

Tom..? Tom...?

Oh, he's gone..
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12:34 AM on 02/13/2013
Btw it is of course, pure coincidence that Blair's brilliant Churchillian spirit and insight happened to coincide with Bush's, and therefore merely made him APPEAR as the U.S. lapdog.
12:27 AM on 02/13/2013
Those people marching judged that a war would be a disaster and a pointless waste of life.

My own loss of faith in politics - actually the Labour Party in particular - happened when I saw how full the parliamentary party was of sycophants and morally cauterised, spineless yes-people, unquestioningly following their charismatic leader's narrative of "clash of civilisations", illogical paranoia over "what if Saddam teams up with Al Qaeda" and criminal misuse of iffy "intelligence."

People who still to this day, especially on the evidence of this article, are unapologetic and unwilling or - more disturbingly - unable to recognise their mistakes, or that those million "naive" marchers were in fact proven right.
03:11 AM on 02/14/2013
"An error doesn't become a mistake, until you refuse to correct it" JFK 1961. That entire speech since the day i heard it years ago....... well it speaks for itself doesn't it quite simply.
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09:52 PM on 02/12/2013
Are we living on a different planet, or is this writer drifting aimlessly in outer space? Politics is a profession based upon getting your own way.
None of us, with a brain and who cherish freedom, want to be part of the EU communist state, but our politicians are determined to have their own way. We do not want unlimited mass immigration, but one again our politicians have their own way. We did not want our Government of public servants, to steal and sell off our public services, or give away our gold reserves for peanuts, but the politicians had their own way. They fabricate, prevaricate, and lie ceaselessly, to get their own way.
Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan, policians had their own way. We just suffer the consequences of the incompetents of elite public schoolboys, who just have to have their own way.
04:46 PM on 02/12/2013
Dear TOM

Please tell me whY OUr polititAns REally ANnouce th Inability to Deal In hOnesT ways with the public?
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02:52 PM on 02/12/2013
“Democracy Is About More Than Getting Your Own Way”
Its about mandates from the majority determining policy. Or was, before someone got this party (system) started.

“who told young Parker that a demo would change government policy?”
He’s confusing protests with riots. See Arab Spring.

“Did we, even then, want a prime minister who would abandon his convictions”
Even infallible popes have been known to resign.

“a very modern political paradox”
like one of any age or persuasion, cannot exist in reality only renditions. It’s presence indicates an ‘understanding’ isn’t one.

“You see the problem?”
Certainly do. When minority rule meets majority rule, a dichotomy’s inevitable.

“a constitutional mechanism for deciding policy”
Hereafter called democracy. Went south, with the last referendum.

"When the president said he believed Iraq had weapons of mass destruction”
A wise man would have responded, fine. Unfortunately, some believe in all manner of contradictory propositions. So confirmable proof would be great.

“Those whose families had actually been wiped out in their thousands by them”
must feel for the families in Iran, deprived of life saving medicines by UN inaction.

“Iraq may have WMD, but so has Israel! What are you going to do about that, eh?”
Wait until they use them, then become a denier?

“those who wanted to disarm Saddam “
had/had no plans for an orderly transition of power to the indigenous?

“the right thing to do”
One human, one vote. As long as it’s the right human?
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02:57 PM on 02/12/2013
lastpost, I love your posts.
02:33 PM on 02/12/2013
Is this just an article by a politician claiming that politicians never listen to the electorate so Sam Parker is naive for thinking they should? Wow.
02:24 PM on 02/12/2013
This article conveniently avoids the huge amounts of arm-twisting that was going on both in parliament and the UN Security Council.

In the UN, there were brazen attempts to buy the votes of the smaller countries on the security council.
There wasn't widespread agreement amongst western countries that Iraq posed a threat - there was almost unprecedented open opposition from several major allies - most notably France and Germany.

The UK parliamentary vote wasn't a free vote - Blair and several ministers had publicly staked their careers on it. Blair's brinkmanship made it an issue of party loyalty rather than conviction.

The opinion polls were split, but we should bear in mind the concerted campaign of misinformation from the Blair/Campbell media machine. Against this backdrop and the jingoism that inevitably accompanies a potential war, any opposition, let alone around half the population and a million people on the streets was a phenomenal achievement.

The phrase "record-breaking election win two years later" is a somewhat flattering - true Labour won a majority of seats, but gained only 35% of the votes cast, which equates to 21% of the electorate (the lowest winning share of the popular vote in history), this is in a two-party system that encourages vote tactically against rather than for politicians/parties. Also bear in mind that the main opposition were at that time a disorganised rabble and had taken the same stance on the war as Blair.
02:20 PM on 02/12/2013
So our foreign policy is to wage war over rumours, or even, half baked truths. The reality is the Bush family wanted to get its grubby hands on Iraqi oil, no-one else wanted to back them up so they called in the favour from their old ally, concocted the BS of WMD between them, then Blair misled parliament and as per the norm you lot voted the "party line" taking no consideration of either the protesters or the majority of the British public. The outcome of this is a lot of British troops have been used and died as a mercenary force on average income, (read slave labour) our two countries share the spOILs and TB gets awarded a "peace" prize by another warmongering nation as well as multi-millions of pounds "appearance" money and a massive expenses pot to dip in if the going gets tough in his "peace envoy" role.

Attacking a young person who quite obviously sees what is wrong with our "democratic process" (as we don't have one) confirms to me the general cowardice of our political establishment as well as the nonsense of our foreign policy giving this country the "right" to interfere in another country's business without any direct threat to this land. We actually face more of a threat now than before 9/11.
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01:52 PM on 02/12/2013
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Further, the reason Blair won a "historic third term" was because we knew the Tories had exactly the same policies, indeed would have gone further, and without the sweetners. To win this election you had to highlight Brown and his credability, because the economy was (falsely) stiil boyant; I remember the news reel with Blair buying an ice cream for the "iron fist chancellor".
The young are not just angry they are furious, and so am I, because politics is now a choice between two out of touch managerial groups who represent a wealthy market based self serving elite. Politics as we know it is finished, it has failed, look at the global economic mess, look at global paranoia and intolarance, look at the authoraterian negativity of our present government implamenting draconian polices (upon the less well off). It will change, we are going to change it, and it will be changed from the bottom up. ploiticians are no longer trusted. All your jobs and all your privalages may be on the line Tom Harris, so stop looking towards focus groups and P.R., and look towards the streets where real people live.
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08:32 PM on 02/12/2013
Great posting jongerald, couldn't have put it better myself !