Scottish Independence: Support For Split Is Higher In England And Wales

David Cameron Alex Salmond

First Posted: 14/01/12 21:48 GMT Updated: 15/01/12 17:08 GMT   PA

Support for Scottish independence is higher in England and Wales than it is north of the border, according to a new poll.

Only 26% of voters in Scotland want to break up the Union, compared with 46% who do not, the Survation poll in the Mail on Sunday revealed.

In England and Wales, 29% felt Scotland should quit the UK, with only 40% feeling that it should not.

The survey also found that Scots were more likely to vote against independence in a referendum if it contained a second question on whether more powers should be devolved to Edinburgh from Westminster.

In that case - the format preferred by Scottish National Party First Minister Alex Salmond - Scottish support for a break with England and Wales dropped to 23%, with a majority, 52%, opposing independence.

Even on the question of further devolution, dubbed Devo-Max, only 32% backed the idea while 35% opposed it.

Survation interviewed 1,001 people in Scotland and 1,019 in England and Wales between Thursday and Saturday.

A separate poll found that more English voters backed Scottish independence than opposed it.

The ICM survey for The Sunday Telegraph found 40% to 43% of Scots wanted to retain the Union.

But among the English, 43% supported independence and while only 32% wanted Scotland to remain in the UK.

ICM Research interviewed 1,734 adults in England and 501 adults in Scotland between 11 and 13 January. Data was separately weighted to reflect the profile of people in England and in Scotland.

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Support for Scottish independence is higher in England and Wales than it is north of the border, according to a new poll. Only 26% of voters in Scotland want to break up the Union, compared with 46...
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01:32 PM on 01/16/2012
The people who are going to have the least say[ or indeed no say ] in this matter are the Scots families who live south of the border.They cannot vote either way on the future of their country or the split up of the UK. I am assuming that the English living north of the border can vote either for or against Scotland splitting up from the rest of the UK or staying as it is.as a United Kingdom as they live in Scotland. Or would that only apply to their children and grandchildren who were born in Scotland who could have the vote. Very confusing Please Enlighten.
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Merseysidefella
I read the news today oh, boy
08:11 PM on 01/15/2012
Who would the oil fields belong to?
Where would the money go?
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Mark B Robertson
09:37 PM on 01/15/2012
Oil fields on teh Scottish side of the line between Scotland and England in our waters would be determined under the rules concerning international maritime law which deals with such issues. Then after that, the money from Scottish oil & gas fields would go to Edinburgh and the Scottish government to be disbursed to Scotlands ~5million people, and money from English oil & gas fields would go to England's ~55 million people.
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I read the news today oh, boy
11:22 PM on 01/15/2012
Thanks, I just hope that the outcome of this issue is:
-- a stronger Britain with happier people, that moves towards a German-style economy of strong manufacturing and sharing of the wealth.
-- a stronger Scotland with happier people, that moves towards a German-style economy of strong manufacturing and sharing of the wealth.

Whether Scotland gains independence otr not, I dont know enough about the issue to give an informed comment.
I love all Britain and Scotland, and hope that in the end everyone is happy. What I can say for certain is that the Reagan-Thatcher economic/social model will be classified in the future as some of the worst rubbish in history.
Cheers!
06:36 PM on 01/15/2012
All this talk of indepemndence makes me laugh. I am a Scots retired 22 year soldier living in England. If Scotland were to be independent they would, if they are lucky, beallowed to join the euro by their masters in Brussels. The pound would be out as that would be controlled by a foreign country (England). The Scots would need the 'groat', its own currency which would be worth yuppence. Main employers would move south of the border to escape sky-high taxes. Scotland would be a provice of the good old US of Europe. Independence? Ha! Keep the Union. I know most Scots know which side their bread is buttered - and I speak as a Scot, proud of my roots.
12:35 AM on 01/16/2012
You speak as a burke, ignorant of every subject needed to understand the issues involved. BTW, WTF is 'the groat'? Pre-1707, Scotland's currency was the Scots Pound. As a petro-currency, the Scots pound would be strong (maybe too strong) operating in a low tax economy.
Do a search on the McCrone Report if you really want to be informed on the debate. Also read the 'Independent', 2005 article: 'How Black Gold Was Hijacked:North Sea Oil and the Betrayal of Scotland.'
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01:37 AM on 01/16/2012
If you think so much of Scotland, why are you talking through an English mouth, you do not appear to be all that bright, start with, let’s say modern history the history of the Black Watch, they in the early 17th century didn't want to fight for any other country but Scotland, but were threatened by your English Masters with Extermination, and why after 1746, were the Scots Regiments sent as far away as possible, "to the far flung corners of the English Empire"
06:03 PM on 01/15/2012
Conservative scaremongering over electoral register dismissed as "nonsense"
04:44 PM on 01/15/2012
This is hardly a surprise surely? The rest of the UK would be better off if Scotland was independent and wasn't being propped up by the British taxpayer, so the sooner the better.....and Scotland can join Salmonds 'Arc of Prosperity' of Ireland and Iceland....(ho ho...)
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Mark B Robertson
05:20 PM on 01/15/2012
If this were the case, why does Cameron so oppose us getting independence? Unless , of course, he & osborne have seen the financial figures and realise that England is being propped u by Scottish money flowing south. You have it the wrong way round, and we would be delighted to leave.
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deluk
disgusted.
07:14 PM on 01/15/2012
perhaps because he's the prime minister of the United Kingdom?..
07:18 PM on 01/15/2012
The sooner the miserable Scots get independence the better. Full independence, no pound, no concessions like the mistake we made with Eire, on their own. Then we can get rid of all the Scottish politicians from Westminster too. And as a Tory, it will be no loss as far as MPs are concerned and will hurt Labour most. A triple whammy. Keep up the good work, Mark B, robroy and alexicon!
05:23 PM on 01/15/2012
And England can join the smiley face arc! You know the one that goes through Portugal, Spain Italy and Greece....oops.
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deluk
disgusted.
07:15 PM on 01/15/2012
That would be odd as England is nothing like any of those countries..
04:00 PM on 01/15/2012
Thi is what the Telegraph poll said

Results from a survey carried out on behalf of the Sunday Telegraph show that 40 per cent of Scots now favour self-government against 43 per cent who would opt for the status quo.

Its now running neck and neck
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Mark B Robertson
04:38 PM on 01/15/2012
It is increasing, so by 2014 there is quite possibly going to be a majority in favour!
04:52 PM on 01/15/2012
LOOKS LIKE IT MARK
03:07 PM on 01/15/2012
Let them have a referendum, but only for those Scots currently living in Scotland. Definitely don't let anyone not resident in Scotland, and that includes the best James Bond ever, have a part in it.
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04:09 PM on 01/15/2012
By all accounts, the referendum will be based on the electoral role, so would only be open to people who reside in Scotland. What nationality would be of no importance.
03:04 PM on 01/15/2012
They keep spouting poll results as if it's gospel, the poll's in the run up to the last Scottish parlimentary elections had labour neck and neck with the snp, wildly inaccurate was a description at the time, the only poll you can count on is the actual vote.
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04:03 PM on 01/15/2012
"...the only poll you can count on is the actual vote....".

The actual vote is the only thing that matters.
03:01 PM on 01/15/2012
Independence for Yorkshire.
02:58 PM on 01/15/2012
There is only one reason why the english politicians want to keep the union....OIL...
Revenue of 32million pounds per day has been produced from the scottish oil fields. Forget political waffle. Forget the rumour mill about there not being much oil left. Experts reckon there is over 100years production left. With the revenue from our oil. Scotland would no longer be left to rot.
Instead it would flourish. Alex salmond knows it. And so does david cameron
03:09 PM on 01/15/2012
They aren't "Scottish oil fields", they are British oil fields in British waters, off the coast of Scotland.
03:19 PM on 01/15/2012
Absolute rubbish. We the scots would have no claim on oil fields of the south coast of england. They are in scottish waters, you know as well as i do. The only reason the westminster government want the union. Is the scottish oil. Think before you comment
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Mark B Robertson
04:01 PM on 01/15/2012
The boundary would be drawn up according to international maritime law. The Westminster English government has very little devious wiggle room to try and move the line northwards to claim that a lot of oil fields are theirs. England will get all of the gas fields as they lie south of the line. they even may get portions of the southernmost oil fields, but most of the oil fields lie in what would be defined under international maritime law as Scottish waters(I would be interested in advice and possible confirmation by experts in international law pertaining to such disputes). After Independence, through dissolution of the Act of Union(1707), Britain will no longer exist, you should be happy England will be independent. Congratulations on your new found freedom from Westminster.
04:54 PM on 01/15/2012
The referendum is say 2014. Then, assuming hopefully a win for independence, there is all the legal wrangling (let alone the other infrastructural issues). By the time oil fields get ceeded to Scotland they will be in decline. In any case, the main revenue from oil to the exchequer is from refined product sales, the majority of which occur in the rest of the UK, not Scotland
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Mark B Robertson
05:32 PM on 01/15/2012
I am sure that teh Scottish government will have thought about these issues in detail gven how important they are to Scotland, even if Westminster would wish to delay any transfer for as long as possible to maximise the damage.
01:57 PM on 01/15/2012
The new BBC Political show " The Sunday Politics " introduced by Andrew Neil,,a Scot,,,fir­st guest Alaister Darling..a Scot...Sec­ond guest Michael Gove ..a Scot in charge of English Schools...­.and Alex Salmond...­a Scot spouting on about how the Scots can keep the pound as they invented the Bank of England. Should this programme be renamed the Scottish Politics Show as it was not advertised as a SNP party political broadcast. The BBC should invite other British guests onto a show that after all doe's concern the rest of Britain just as much as Scotland.
Plus Andrew Marr a Scot and Nicky Campbell a Scot,,,Sunday morning on BBC1 is akin to watching Scottish BBC,,What about the rest of the UK BBC ???
02:47 PM on 01/15/2012
I would have thought the Jeremy Kyle show would have been your thing!
06:43 PM on 01/15/2012
Jeremy Kyle could do the job just as well and so could many other English TV presenters, i wonder if Scotland does vote for independence if all the Scots in other parts of Britain will be classed as foreign workers and get repatriated back to there homeland ?
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deluk
disgusted.
07:25 PM on 01/15/2012
Hmmm, I remember a Scot saying that Jeremy Kyle was followed religiously in Scotland, due to the number of people there, supported by the British state, who are able to slot it into their busy "schedule" (The rest work for the British state).
03:14 PM on 01/15/2012
Hazard a guess as to how many English programme presenters there are in Scotland on Scottish TV.
A round number comes to mind probably.
05:49 PM on 01/15/2012
Not many.
06:40 PM on 01/15/2012
Yes zero is the amount i see on Scottish TV.
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mokgee
Sabu.Satsang, Samsara, Solitude...
01:17 PM on 01/15/2012
How many English, would delight in the Swirl of the Bagpipes, if they were in trouble anywhere in the world, they would be a sight for sore eyes. The Union has been around for quite some time, and we were all there for each. Yes we have had the fallouts, religious problems, and many disagreeing moments, but when the chips are down, the gel sets. We don't want to lose the Union, again the old divide and conquer rule has been deliberately created, by the EU, in my opinion of course. They have even got many squabbling about separation, think long and hard what one wishes for, it is my bet, that the majority of the Scots, are quite happy where they are in the Union. By the way, I am English, yet served time in a Scottish regiment, they are good at what they do, and are some of the best people I have ever met believe me....
10:35 AM on 01/15/2012
Can't see that it will make a lot of difference, we will all still be members of the EU , run from Brussels ?.
09:18 AM on 01/15/2012
I always thought the union was made by Scots and Welsh lords who sold out to the English King in return for lands and titles in England did not the Bruce keep changing sides as it suited or is it now Salmond wanting a bit more power thats a problem and is he not selling out his people
The Irish fight about it
The English lie about it
The Scots fight about it
The Welsh just sing about it.
Red xxx
10:36 AM on 01/15/2012
Going by your comment, you obviously thought wrong.
01:48 PM on 01/15/2012
So the English lie and the Scots and Irish fight,,,me thinks you made it up....hahahahaha
04:58 PM on 01/15/2012
The Scots just fight....at least the Irish have a cause....