West Lothian Commission Announced By Clegg, Starts Work In February

West Lothian Commission

The Huffington Post UK   First Posted: 17/01/12 11:25 GMT Updated: 18/01/12 07:28 GMT

The thorny issue of the West Lothian Question - the ability of Scottish MPs being able to vote on laws that only affect England - is to be explored by a commission which will start work next month.

Deputy prime minister Nick Clegg announced on Tuesday the names of the dignitaries who'll take on the work of the commission. Most well-known among them is Sir Emyr Jones Parry, former UK Ambassador to the United Nations.

There is no specified deadline by which the commission should report back to Parliament - although it is expected to be in the next Parliamentary session which will start in May 2012 at the earliest.

The phrase “West Lothian Question” was coined 35 years ago by Tam Dalyell, the then Labour MP for West Lothian. The problem has grown over recent years, firstly with the creation of the national parliaments in Scotland and Wales, and then with an increasing transfer of powers from London to Cardiff and Edinburgh.

There is currently no ban on Scottish MPs from voting on laws which only affect England - including many of the government's most controversial areas of reform in health and education. Those matters are now devolved to Holyrood.

A recent poll by the think tank IPPR found that an overwhelming majority of the English wanted Scottish MPs to be banned from voting on such matters. But the IPPR believes the West Lothian question is more difficult to resolve than it first appears.

Nick Pearce, the think-tank's director, says: “English Votes on English Laws raises the prospect of a UK government unable to govern England because it lacks a majority of English MPs.

"This scenario occurred in 1964 and February 1974 when UK Labour governments were formed despite the Conservatives holding a majority of English seats. Under EVOEL such governments would be unable to legislate for English domestic policy.

"It has often been argued that such chaos would create a bigger constitutional anomaly than that generated by West Lothian itself."

The announcement of the West Lothian Question commission comes as the general debate about when and how Scotland should hold a referendum on independence rumbles on. Despite a softening of tone and pledges to meet, it's still not clear who from the Westminster government will be holding talks on the issue later this week. Downing Street believes that Alex Salmond and Scottish Secretary Michael Moore should hold talks first.

However it appears clear that the SNP government would favour direct talks between the PM and Alex Salmond.


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The thorny issue of the West Lothian Question - the ability of Scottish MPs being able to vote on laws that only affect England - is to be explored by a commission which will start work next month. ...
The thorny issue of the West Lothian Question - the ability of Scottish MPs being able to vote on laws that only affect England - is to be explored by a commission which will start work next month. ...
 
 
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07:59 PM on 01/17/2012
Clegg gets all the fascinating jobs.
06:32 PM on 01/17/2012
This idea is not about just Scottish MP's voting on purely English matters, it is also about MP's from wales and N.Ireland. As a Scot living in Scotland I could not agree more that Scottish MP's should not vote on any matters that do not effect Scotland, end of story. All the more reason to have a federal system or my preferred choice, lets all go our seperate ways.
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02:24 PM on 01/17/2012
"West Lothian Commission Announced By Clegg, Starts Work In February"
I wonder if they’ll recommend moving Parliament to Edinburgh, and running England as a satellite from up there. Will this mean HS2 is cancelled?

"Most well-known among them is Sir Emyr Jones Parry"
Good old English name. Meaning “he who leads the next region to declare autonomy”.

"Those matters are now devolved to Holyrood."
I knew they had overall control of who got Oscars. But this is ridiculous.

"the West Lothian Question"
Is that anywhere near The Free Republic of East Lothian?
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02:27 PM on 01/17/2012
Midlothian is kinda stuck in the middle ;-)
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hearthammer
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03:18 PM on 01/17/2012
Midlothian and it's daft Labour cooncil are stuck in the past, not the middle!
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02:10 PM on 01/17/2012
The UK has got to be the most over centralised country in Europe, everything is London, London, London !!! and nothing else. For this reason alone I can see why Scotland has had enough. Scotland's departure is going to leave London a big fish in an even smaller pool and I can see this provoking Wales to follow Scotland's lead. If you go to Germany or Spain the different regions are more or less independant states. And regions like Catalonia take great pride in at best ignoring any dictate from Madrid or deliberatly enacting it the wrong way round on the ground to show Madrid just whose in charge in Catalonia.
04:44 PM on 01/17/2012
Quote: "everything is London, London, London"

Are you suggesting that the needs of the greatest metropolis in the UK are irrelevant?

Quote: "If you go to Germany or Spain the different regions are more or less independan­t states."

Don't know about Spain but, Germany is a Federal Republic and as Wiki says is a "union of partially self-governing states or regions united by a central (federal) government. In a federation, the self-governing status of the component states is typically constitutionally entrenched and may not be altered by a unilateral decision of the central government."

The UK is a unitary state which Wiki says "is a state governed as one single unit in which the central government is supreme and any administrative divisions (subnational units) exercise only powers that their central government chooses to delegate."

So no wonder there are differences. One solution to the Scottish independence debate could be for the UK to be a federation.
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05:25 PM on 01/17/2012
I think London has way to much power for its own good, it rides rough shot over the rest of England let alone its neighbours. Thats the trouble with the UK its what London wants goes just look at the London 2012 Olympics the rest of the country has been bypassed. You take Catalonia recently banning bullfighting in Catalonia as Catalans are massively against it and its supporters skuttling off to Madrid to try to get the ban reversed but still being blown out of the water by the Catalan government something like that could never happen in the English Regions outside London as none of them are allowed any self determination.
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02:08 PM on 01/17/2012
'There is currently no ban on Scottish MPs from voting on laws which only affect England - including many of the government's most controversial areas of reform in health and education.' What a mess the UK is in, when we are unable to control who governs which part. Wasn't the Barnet agreement before Tam Dalyell, causing much to today's problems?
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02:14 PM on 01/17/2012
The West Lothian Question is about a lack of democracy. Barnett is a whole other kind of deal altogether.
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02:31 PM on 01/17/2012
Thanks. I knew I could rely on the indefatigable knowledge of the west lothian questioner putting me on the right track - being such a political animal.
01:27 PM on 01/17/2012
Yet another quango
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01:33 PM on 01/17/2012
I can well understand and even sympathise with your cynicism but, if the union is to continue in any shape or form, this is a matter which very much needs to be sorted out. The democratic deficits the West Lothian Question creates have to be dealt with, for all our sakes.
01:58 PM on 01/17/2012
Totally agree with your statement, but it is how this will be done. I don't think it is rocket science. All Scottish MP should be allowed to vote on any topic that has an affect on Scotland and similarly Welsh, Northern Irish and English MP's should be able to vote on things that affect their own individual countries. Nobody should be voting on issues that don't concern them. There settled. No Quango needed.
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02:01 PM on 01/17/2012
No arguments from me. There would still be a few minor anomalies there but I'm pretty sure a relatively small and straight forward piece of legislation could sort them all out without all the extra expense and delay of a Commission. Should all have been done in '99 when the devolved administrations were being set up.
02:12 PM on 01/17/2012
100% agree. Best thing to do with any can of worms found is to open it there are then and deal with it. Otherwise they mate and you then have a bigger problem later.
01:25 PM on 01/17/2012
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01:03 PM on 01/17/2012
More jobs for the boys.
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01:35 PM on 01/17/2012
Its a matter that does need sorting out though Mickey. It could, and should, have been done before now.
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Mickey Mouse 1
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01:48 PM on 01/17/2012
It's all about an ego trip for self-serving parasites, all paid for by the taxpayer.
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12:52 PM on 01/17/2012
They definitely need to sort it out. There is absolutely no reason for any MP to vote on anything that does not affect their country.
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hearthammer
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03:22 PM on 01/17/2012
Tell that to the unionists!
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12:30 PM on 01/17/2012
They can't even look after Yang Guang properly:(
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12:09 PM on 01/17/2012
Hardly before time that someone took a grip on this gross anomaly. The English people have been sadly short-changed by it and, without looking into all the detail of the legislation passed by Labour's misuse of the Scottish MPs votes over the declining years of the Blair/Brown governments I'd say the time is more than ripe for making the minor changes to the Westminster system to rectify it and ensure it can not happen again. The perfect cure for it would be ending the union letting England (and the other nations) have its own government, elected by its own people and answerable to them alone.

One minor point of pedantry with the content of the article; the West Lothian Question was framed by Tam Dalyell but its name was coined by Enoch Powell.
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12:49 PM on 01/17/2012
Hey, WLQ we agree on something, the world is turning :)
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12:50 PM on 01/17/2012
Hopefully it'll keep on turning for a while yet :-)