Scottish Independence: Salmond To Hold Talks With Michael Moore On Monday

Scottish Independence Salmond Moore Talks

PA/The Huffington Post UK   First Posted: 12/02/2012 07:15 Updated: 12/02/2012 07:41

Alex Salmond has again insisted that plans for an independence referendum must have "no strings attached" from Westminster.

The Scottish First Minister will have talks with Michael Moore from the UK Government on the issue on Monday.

Ahead of that, a spokesman for the Scottish National Party leader restated his determination for terms of the ballot to be decided north of the border.

Coalition ministers have said a vote on whether Scotland should remain in the UK should take place sooner rather than later.

The SNP administration in Edinburgh does not want the vote on the country's constitutional future to be held until autumn 2014.

Mr Salmond's spokesman said he believed there was "broad agreement" that was "the right timescale".

The First Minister and the Scottish Secretary will meet in Edinburgh tomorrow morning.

A spokesman for Mr Moore said: "The Secretary of State is optimistic that we can quickly sort out the process side of the referendum and then get on to the real debate about Scotland's future."

And Mr Salmond's spokesman said: "Monday's meeting is a welcome step forward - and a much better approach by the UK Government than the unfortunate attempt by the Prime Minister at the start of the year to impose the timing and terms of the referendum from Westminster."

There could be disagreement over the Scottish Government's refusal to rule out including a third option of greatly enhanced powers for Holyrood - "devo-max" - on the ballot paper.

Mr Salmond has already said he wants to ask voters: "Do you agree that Scotland should be an independent country?"

The Scottish Government's consultation includes the possibility of asking voters if they back maximum devolution, while
Westminster politicians have repeatedly said the referendum should be a straight choice between independence or staying in the UK.

The Scottish Government consultation also includes the possibility of allowing 16 and 17-year-olds to vote.

The spokesman for the First Minister said: "We have put our detailed proposals for the referendum out to consultation - so that matters such as a possible 'devo-max' option, and votes for 16 and 17-year-olds, can be discussed and decided with people across Scottish society."

The UK Government has repeatedly insisted Holyrood does not have the power to stage an independence vote, and is carrying out its own consultation on proposals to temporarily extend the Scottish Parliament's powers, using a Section 30 order, to allow it to conduct the referendum.

Mr Salmond's spokesman said: "We are entirely confident that, within our current powers, the Scottish Parliament can hold a consultative referendum on independence, but we have consistently said that we have no difficulty with a Section 30 order to address the UK Government's concerns.

"The key point - which we believe should be a point of consensus with UK ministers - is that the terms of the referendum must be decided in Scotland.

"The consultation which the Scottish Government have published provides for this democratic imperative - and the Electoral Reform Society Scotland agree that any 'legal mandate' must have 'no strings attached', so that Scottish Parliament can 'call a referendum at a time, and with a question (or questions) of their choosing'."

Mr Moore's spokesman said that a "lot of progress has been made in the past few weeks" on the matter.

He said: "The Scottish Government has helpfully clarified a number of details, including its preference for a single question and the involvement of the Electoral Commission.

"Hopefully, we can agree on Monday that this is the preferred route to a fair and legal referendum. It gives both Parliaments a role to play and demonstrates that both of Scotland's governments will work together to deliver a referendum that is legal, fair and decisive. This is what the people of Scotland expect for the most important decision we will ever take."

Scottish Labour leader Johann Lamont said: "It seems like the only strings Alex Salmond wants to attach are his own.

"It is inexplicable that his draft bill published only a few weeks ago waters down the role of the Electoral Commission to the extent that he doesn't want it to rule on the wording of the question.

"We do not regard a fair, transparent referendum with independent scrutiny as having strings attached.

"They are the basic rules of engagement for any democratic referendum."

Meanwhile, Mr Salmond has responded to reports he is meeting Prime Minister David Cameron in the next few days for talks, saying a date is "to be confirmed".

A spokesman for the First Minister said: "While the date for the First Minister to meet the Prime Minister to discuss Scotland's referendum is to be confirmed, we look forward to it taking place in early course, once the First Minister has met the Secretary of State for Scotland on Monday.

"It is clear there is growing consensus that the proposed timetable for Scotland's referendum is entirely reasonable, however only this weekend it is obvious there are divergent views within the Westminster coalition on their position in regard to more powers - with the Prime Minister refusing to offer any further powers and the Secretary of State for Scotland saying Scotland could get greater financial powers. If that is a genuine offer it should be articulated clearly to the people of Scotland at this stage.

"What is clear is that there will be a referendum and the people of Scotland will get the chance to vote for independence.

"We are currently seeking the views of the public through the Your Scotland, Your Referendum consultation process, which has had an excellent response from the Scottish public and civic Scotland so far.

"It is wise for politicians to listen to the views of the people - already, there have been over 1,500 responses to our consultation - and that is what the Scottish Government will do."

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Gilbert McLardy
12:03 on 13/02/2012
With new polls showing that the Scots are running 50% FOR 50% Against (although we have to take this with a pinch of salt, after all the papers are controlled from South of the Border) That would mean that if for some reason Scotland lost the vote by the narrowest of margins and we were not given full DEVO-MAX, then the unrest in Scotland would lead to even more young people emigrating and Scotland would end up as one big retirement home. The 16 to 17 Yr olds should be given the vote, they can marry have kids join the army, so why o' why should they not be given the vote
13:30 on 13/02/2012
So long! as they dinna emigrate to England! Happy retirement!
13:35 on 13/02/2012
Let them vote I say! We'll fix the vote in your favour just to get rid of yer!
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Gilbert McLardy
11:42 on 13/02/2012
I cannot understand why so many Comments are being removed, is this a one sided debate
00:15 on 13/02/2012
Whinging a national sport / pastime of Scoootland!
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Gilbert McLardy
00:25 on 13/02/2012
You must be the kind of Englishman that gives England a really bad name, but if you want to play that game then so be it. Here in Scotland we have an old saying, “All the good Englishmen came to Scotland to stay, AT BANNOCHBURN
13:08 on 13/02/2012
Sh*t saying!
13:31 on 13/02/2012
I'm Scottish!
00:06 on 13/02/2012
All talk - Get on with it as a special incentive, England will pay for the border fences to stop Scots streaming southwards!
15:01 on 17/02/2012
Really? Thanks for that. In a post-independent Scotland, we will still offer our customary hospitality to foreigners. You suggest that England will also continue to treat foreigners as it usually has
17:01 on 17/02/2012
Let it go! It was meant in jest!
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21:32 on 12/02/2012
Why is it always perceived as Alex Salmond being the bad guy, (on this occasion "raising the temperature", and not the other way round, that Michael Moore, or David Cameron, or whoever, are the ones doing the arguing?
00:17 on 13/02/2012
A salmon is a legend in his own lunchtime!
20:16 on 12/02/2012
The outcome of a positive " we will go our own way", will be in a form where the people north of the border will lose out in ways they have not an inkling about, but you can bet the current "north of the border" politicians advocating a split will, if it goes through, will be gaining personally. Any "fudging" of the "in or out" question will tell us a lot about the politicians true aims. But for total fairness in the democratic process, shouldn't the other 91% of the British population also have a say? Maybe a question such as " Do you want Scotland to be part of the British Union ? ", would bring some democratic balance to the subject. On a personal level I would prefer the Union to remain intact.
It is not just Scotland that has problems, there are other areas in the UK ( who have even bigger population numbers than Scotland) who have issues that need to be resolved. One of those issues is the needs immediate attention is the per capita funding from central government, why is it not a constant figure for all the citizens of the union and why are not critical industries survival and costs of unemployment taken into account when awarding publicly funded contracts ?
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20:38 on 12/02/2012
"But for total fairness in the democratic process, shouldn't the other 91% of the British population also have a say?"
No they shouldn't. It's not just me saying that, the U.N. Charter says so too. The U.K. is fully signed up to that.
23:16 on 12/02/2012
So to get your logic in perspective, a minority group can decide if they remain part of the union (that they get a greater financial benefit from), but the majority cannot decide if they want to have that minority group in the union. I am sorry but swords have two cutting edges and that is why politicians playing with peoples lives can produce results that is hard to anticipate. That's why this posturing should stop but if it must continue get it over as soon as possible so people can plan for the future.
21:25 on 12/02/2012
why should the rest of the population of UK have a say? Do those outside London expect to have a say in who is elected as Mayor of London?

Also, the reason for different levels of per capita fundings is because of the extra expense of providing the same level of services to these remoter areas. eg. road building because of the more difficult terrain. Or education, where in order to be able to put schools into remote areas and provide the same level of curriculum the costs per head are greater. If this is a Union, why do some parts of the Union complain about having to support other parts?
23:47 on 12/02/2012
The rest of the Union should have a say because once you start to break the union into it's component parts, all the parts are impacted. If Scotland becomes a seperate governing nation would every synergy for supporting services in all countries still apply ? would all the military support services still remain intact ? would Scotland take on the debt incurred to keep RBS and BOS afloat ? Currently Scotland recieves about £1800 / head/yr more than their english counterparts across the border and some people have queried the fairness of that additional subsidy. Your perfectly right that some remote area's do deserve better funding but that equally applies to Cumbria, Yorkshire and Cornwall but why to Edinburgh and Glasgow ? Aberdeen has one of the highest incomes per capita so why do they get it ? What I would like to see is total transparency for the whole country, at the moment we appear to be chopping budgets in the rest of the UK and this talk of seperating off Scotland may be a bargaining chip for something just around the corner........are the Scottish budgets about to get chopped? It does not matter which side of the border you live, the people always pay the price for political ambition.
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19:55 on 12/02/2012
If Scotland votes yes, and thats a big if, they'll have to negotiate financial & political reform that will be required ect, in the mean time England will gain a form of independance via the back door,
parliament are already drawing up the plans, and we wont have to bother with a referendum,
English independance paid for with Scottish gold,Excellent
22:50 on 12/02/2012
So long as the Scots Pro rata what they owe!
19:09 on 12/02/2012
If they get independance - will they take back home all the Scottish Westminster MP's (including the one from Fife (Gordan Brown) ... I do hope so.

Say what you like about Alex Salmond - at least he is giving his people a say...

The Lisbon Treaty which Brown signed in 2007 (without a referendum - because he knew he would lose) extended the powers of the EU in every conceivable direction. The treaty gave the EU 'primacy' over the laws of the member states.The Treaty created a full European criminal justice system, with European public prosecutor and an EU legal code. (The new legal codes run directly counter to our own common law traditions).
17:48 on 17/02/2012
Yes, in the event of Scottish independence, Fife would no longer be sending a representative to the English Houses of Parliament. Hope that clarifies matters.
19:04 on 12/02/2012
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18:59 on 12/02/2012
Let the trout lead his minows after 2/3 years when they have been in the cruel world they'll come back squeeling -- we made a mistake can we come back.-- sod off will be the answer.
22:13 on 12/02/2012
True!
22:46 on 12/02/2012
Hopefully England will have built a new Hadrian's Wall by way of an answer!
18:36 on 12/02/2012
I can see Alex Salmond poking someone opposed to his referendum with a stick and saying there is an idiot on the end of this stick, the reply will come back " yes but which end".
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18:26 on 12/02/2012
It's kinda amusing to read the comments here from people who don't have a vote on Scotland's future whinging about Scots taking their time to reach their own decisions. The latent xenophobia in some comments pure stinks so it does.
18:33 on 12/02/2012
They may not be entitled to a vote,but they are entitled to their opinion because Scottish independence would effect all of the UK-or is freedom of speech something else that the SNP want to do away with.Something stinks around here,but I`m not sure that it`s the latent xenophobia
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18:52 on 12/02/2012
They are indeed entitled to opinions and also to express them here and elsewhere. What they are not entitled to is to have anyone pay much heed. The only expression of opinion on this whole matter will come in autumn of 2014 and will be expressed by the people of Scotland. Everyone else on the island really does just need to wait for us to decide, then, as we will, deal with the consequences of whatever decidion we reach.
18:37 on 12/02/2012
It could be that we are all heartily sick of it all. The fact is that the exchequer raises £38billion in revenue from Scotland and it costs us £78 billion to keep it going. Now on the plus side, if partition happens public sector jobs in their thousands will come south..ALL defence sector jobs will move south, that will basically shut down Clydeside and Glenrothes and Rosythe..And then banking jobs will move south, as will all of tyhe facility jobs, like Sky and the supermarkets! It will be a bumper bonus job time for the English! The xenophobia, all comes from the Kingdom of Alba!
OECD experts say it will take three years for another Act of Union.
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Gilbert McLardy
01:17 on 13/02/2012
Well Septic; Just as well you’re not an accountant, your company would have gone bust in the first week. Do you have any idea about the cost of England moving the Trident Missile Base from the Clyde and that could almost burst the bank of England, go away and ask someone to work out the figures for you?
17:50 on 17/02/2012
What OECD experts? I'd be interested in seeing your credible source.
18:20 on 12/02/2012
Keep the kettle boilng Alex, you just might get burnt.
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I have nothing to declare but my curiosity
18:14 on 12/02/2012
Started to write a bit about either Scotland makes a clean break or stays part of the Union. Then a wave of apathy overcame me. Do as you will just stop wittering on about it>