Scottish Independence: Modest Progress With Westminster Being Made, Alex Salmond Says

Salmond Moore

PA/The Huffington Post   First Posted: 13/02/2012 12:50 Updated: 13/02/2012 12:50

Alex Salmond said "modest progress" has been made in talks with the Westminster government about the Scottish independence referendum.

The Scottish first minister discussed how a vote could be staged when he met Scottish secretary Michael Moore in Edinburgh on Monday morning.

Afterwards, Salmond said there were still two key issues of disagreement between his Scottish National Party (SNP) administration and Westminster.

These, he said, were whether or not the ballot should also give Scots the option of backing greatly-enhanced powers for Holyrood - dubbed devo-max - and whether 16 and 17-year-olds should be entitled to vote.

The Scottish government has said it wants the vote to take place in the autumn of 2014 but Moore said he still wanted it to be "sooner rather than later".

"We still don't agree on the timing, we are still discussing who should be able to vote and how many questions there will be," Moore said.

But Salmond said the objective was to have the referendum in the timescale that he had indicated.

"Hopefully the voice of the people will prevail upon the politicians to find common ground on these matters," he said.

"You wouldn't have expected us to come out with complete agreement, it's modest progress."

The SNP also want to allow 16 and 17-year-olds to vote in the referendum but the Westminster government is less keen, despite lowering the voting age being a Lib Dem policy.

"The is a debate round the role of 16 and 17-year-olds," Moore said. "But you can't impose a new condition for the convenience one particular referendum."

The talks between the two men had been scheduled to last about an hour but ended up going on for approximately 90 minutes.

Salmond will also hold talks with David Cameron on the referendum on Thursday when the prime minister visits Scotland.

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Marchmont
12:31 AM on 02/14/2012
Alex Salmond has worked hard on his cheeky chappie and professional Scotchman image and there is no doubt that his stream of invective enlivens the dreary Holyrood day. But besmirching professional opponents is one thing – shouting down ordinary people who ask about the fundamental issues of his proposed separation is quite another. Commentators have rightly used the First Minister’s Nazi jibe to draw parallels with 1930s Germany and the Fuhrer’s analogous tendency to claim a monopoly of patriotism. With a wearisome 1,000 days still to go, I think we have already heard enough abuse from the Braveheart tendency and ‘tartan’ shirts are just as unacceptable as ‘brown’ ones. This corrosive referendum campaign will finally end and one way or another, whether we separate or remain in the United Kingdom, we will have to try to live together.
11:24 AM on 02/14/2012
Let's examine your post. "Salmon use of invective"? Here is the Concise Oxford Dictionaries's definition - invective // n.
1 a strongly attacking words. b the use of these.
2 abusive rhetoric.
[Middle English via Old French from Late Latin invectivus ‘attacking’ (as inveigh)]

That is the way of Political debate by all party leaders.


"First Minister’s Nazi jibe", He never used the word, "Nazi", and I've never seen Axex Salmond shout down, "ordinary people", neither have you. Salmond said, "gauleiter", For your information here is the definition, cut & pasted, from my disk based Oxford Dictionary -
gauleiter // n.
1 hist. an official governing a district under Nazi rule.
2 a local or petty tyrant.
[German, from Gau ‘administrative district’ + Leiter ‘leader’]

The term used, "Gauleiter", has long been used in the sense shown in the Dictionary - "a local or petty tyrant". You are, thus, guilty of gross lies and false accusations. Keep up the good work as such has added over 2,000 paid up mwmbers to the Nationalist party in the past month. Every time such daft attacks are made there is a surge in support.

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12:21 PM on 02/14/2012
How many people under 90 years of age would understand the word 'Gauleiter' to refer to anyone other than a Nazi district governor in the days of the Third Reich?

'Not many' would be my guess.
11:30 PM on 02/13/2012
Scotland in administration!
12:13 AM on 02/14/2012
lol!
09:11 PM on 02/13/2012
Moore):
"You have bled with Salmond. Now bleed with me."
08:35 PM on 02/13/2012
Salmond - Radical Gaelic cleric
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11:31 PM on 02/13/2012
Like herb - It repeats!
01:02 AM on 02/14/2012
The talks between the two men had been scheduled to last about an hour but ended up going on for approximately 90 minutes Celtic torrets syndrome?
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07:13 PM on 02/13/2012
Over 68% of England wants independence from Scotland!
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10:56 PM on 02/14/2012
As few as that? Imagine!
11:11 PM on 02/14/2012
Being Kind!
07:02 PM on 02/13/2012
No the now! What does Salmond not understand now?
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tc-byrne
Victoria Concordia Crescit
04:13 PM on 02/13/2012
What's the problem here, 16-17 yr olds voting, if your old enough to pay tax your old enough to vote,
Devo-max is the problem, westminster wants a yes/no, scottish nationalist want yes/no, die-hard scottish nationalist want just a yes, no problem here nationalist & westminster in accord,
so who wants the devo-max, the Scottish goverment & quite right, it's a winner, a face saver, you were promised a referendum not the outcome,slipped DM in while blaming westminister, not bad, the problem is with deminished revenue & political power devolved from westminister this will almost certainly trigger the call for an English referendum on independance,
which will waste more time, so what's the point including the devo-max just because you can or maybe that's the real problem it's the will of the goverment to persuade the will of the people.
thephuqqer
not the chicken plucker.
03:39 PM on 02/13/2012
Instead of all this bickering, Scotland should just take it's case to the international courts, I'm sure they have a good case for independence. The have a stable democracy, nice people, (in general), and dang good whisky. If all the countries that seceeded from the Soviet Union were able to gain their independence, I'm sure Scotland can.
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03:52 PM on 02/13/2012
"...Scotland should just take it's case to the international courts, I'm sure they have a good case for independence....".

Except for the fact that, at the moment, and according to current opinion polls, the Scottish people do not wish to be a separate state.
06:49 PM on 02/13/2012
Erm what current opinion polls would that be? daily mail? the telegraph? the BBC?
London based media outlets who have a vested interest in Scotland being shackled to the dead corpse of westminster.
All the state media in the UK are hell bent on scaremongering and being economical with the truth when it comes to Scotland and their beloved empire.
If we didn't have such a biased press in the UK then Scotland's Independence would be gauranteed.
12:36 AM on 02/14/2012
You can quote the poll you got your figures from - can't you?
You can,of course, tell the difference between a genuine opinion poll and a con trick?

Like the one quoted last week from an organization well known for biased opinion polls.

Well here is a quite simple guage of how things are going and it is 100% spot on. In the few days since the SNP opened their campaign of consulting the People of Scotland there were over 2,000 new members signed up as card carrying SNP party Members.

So how about we deal in facts and figures on this blog and get down to making a case for or against Scottish independence?

Right then someone, anyone, let's have a British Nationalist's case for Scotland remaining in the Union? I've been asking that question since 1946 - no one has yet managed to make a believable case I couldn't shoot down in a couple of minutes. And I include on that list many MPs and even a couple of Prime Ministers. So any takers to make a good case for the Union?
07:05 PM on 02/13/2012
England wants rid of them!
07:20 PM on 02/13/2012
There you go Pitnt a link for you to start an 'e' petition to get England's Independence, I'll sign it!
I bet you don't start one just like all the other mouth and no trousers brigade from down south on here.
You know how the saying goes; either put up or shut up.

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/
09:19 AM on 02/15/2012
Aye! Richt!
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Gilbert McLardy
03:01 PM on 02/13/2012
"The SNP also want to allow 16 and 17-year-olds to vote in the referendum but the Westminster government is less keen"; despite lowering the voting age being a Lib Dem policy. This shows the true face of the Lib-Dems, they want one thing for England and another for Scotland, otherwise Scotland roll over and do as you’re told. There again the English Government has tried to Steam Roll Over; almost every nation in the world at some time in their History. Plus they do not even want to talk about Devo-Max, if we lose the Independence vote, what’s your betting on Scotland getting anything even close to Devo-Max, ( No Chance). The Tories will win the next general election, again with their overwhelming English vote, for very few could vote for Milaband or the leader of Labour in Scotland, everytime she speaks she looks as if she is doing her knitting "What chance Scotland".
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03:54 PM on 02/13/2012
"...the English Government has tried to Steam Roll Over; almost every nation in the world at some time in their History.."

There hasn't been an 'English Government' for several hundred years.
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Gilbert McLardy
07:05 PM on 02/13/2012
When English MP's outnumber the rest of the UK, which was not supposed to happen when the Treaty of Union was signed. Then the answer can only be; YES it is an English Government.
11:05 PM on 02/13/2012
Rubbish! In fact the Westminster Parliament is the de facto English Parliament. Even to the extent that the members from English Constituencies are demanding that the Scots, Welsh and N.Irish be prevented from voting on THEIR English Only matters. Not only that but England is funded as The United Kingdom.
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beenzrgud
Can't say what I'd like to here.
06:09 PM on 02/13/2012
The last British leader to steamroller over anywhere was Tony Blair steamrolling over Iraq, and he was Scottish.
06:51 PM on 02/13/2012
Ahummm!

Cameron and Libya?
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Gilbert McLardy
07:08 PM on 02/13/2012
Run the ruler over Tony Blair's ancestry; let me know what you find.
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beenzrgud
Can't say what I'd like to here.
02:38 PM on 02/13/2012
Salmond is good at talking up the whole "will of the people" idea as long as it suits him. When Scotland is an independent country with Salmond at the helm it will be interesting to see how much the "will of the people" counts for. Salmond has some radical ideas and I doubt the will of the people or anything else will stand in his way.
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05:18 PM on 02/13/2012
In the scenario you suggest, If Eck tried to go against the will of the Scottish people, he'd quite rightly be out of a job pretty smartly. Scottish independence and the whole debate surrounding it is not about Alex Salmond's personal ambition contrary to much uninformed speculation.
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beenzrgud
Can't say what I'd like to here.
05:45 PM on 02/13/2012
We thought the same way about Blair and the "war on terror". Nobody wanted it, but that didn't mean it didn't happen anyway.
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jacksdad41
Quant Je Puis
06:09 PM on 02/13/2012
What were we just saying Ewan?? Been too quiet on the Scotland front so lets put a none story up. The Welsh newspaper sellers used to do it in slow news weeks with the headline "Nye - much better" - not that there was anything wrong with him but the statement was also truthful, and it sold papers. Sound familiar?? There is not even 1 new word in the whole report let alone a statement ;-)
11:14 PM on 02/13/2012
And your proof of this is ... ... ...?





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beenzrgud
Can't say what I'd like to here.
11:49 PM on 02/13/2012
Proof of what? It's my opinion. This isn't a court of law and I don't have to answer to you. If I think Alex Salmond is a jumped up *ss then it's my opinion and although it obviously grates on you I'm actually allowed to hold an opinion different to yours. The proof of whether my opinion is correct will only be known when Scotland achieves independence. You're not a relation to Salmond by any chance?
01:04 AM on 02/14/2012
The west lothian questioner lol!