House Of Lords Reform Threatened By Tory Rebellion

PA/The Huffington Post  |  Posted: 20/04/2012 12:46 Updated: 20/04/2012 14:13

A senior Liberal Democrat peer today warned Conservatives that they must back coalition plans to reform the House of Lords - despite a threatened revolt by Tory backbenchers.

Conservative MPs were reported to have lined up to condemn the proposals - set to form the centrepiece of next month's Queen's Speech - at a "stormy" meeting last night of the party's backbench 1922 Committee.

A number of ministerial aides were reported to have indicated they would rather resign than support legislation for a largely - or wholly -elected upper chamber.

However, Lib Dem peer Lord Oakeshott insisted today that the plan was part of the coalition agreement and should be supported by MPs of both parties.

"Our vast unelected House of Lords is overstuffed with complacent dinosaurs," he said.

"Electing both Houses of Parliament is a simple democratic principle, it's in all three major parties' general manifestos and the coalition agreement.

"So all coalition MPs should back it - and Labour mustn't drag their feet on this long overdue reform."

The issue of Lords reform threatens to stretch coalition unity to breaking point in the coming months.

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Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg has insisted it is an essential part of the coalition's constitutional reform programme.

Lord Oakeshott has previously warned that Lib Dem peers could wreck Tory plans to cut the number of MPs if it does not go through.

On Thursday Clegg denied there was a link between the two proposals and said Lord Oakeshott did not speak for the Lib Dems as a party, but he warned his Tory colleagues that he expected them to support the creation of an elected Lords.

"I expect the same civility and consistency from all sides in this coalition to press forward with all these issues whether people like them or not," he said.

On the Conservative side, many backbenchers - already frustrated at the Lib Dems' influence within the coalition - are adamant they are not prepared to support measures that could, they believe, upset the whole balance of the constitution.

Many Tory MPs are pointing to the Coalition Agreement, which states that the government is committed to "bring forward proposals" to introduce an elected House of Lords, but does not require them to actually vote in favour of it.

Similarly the agreement committed Lib Dems to "bring forward" plans to cut the size of the House of Commons but does not commit them to voting in favour of it.

Downing Street said David Cameron remained committed to reform of the House of Lords.

"Both the prime minister and the deputy prime minister are committed to Lords reform," a No 10 spokeswoman said.

She added that all members of the government would be expected to support the legislation when it comes to Parliament.

"If it is government policy, one expects the government to support it," she said.

Clegg also faces a battle with Labour over his Lords reform bill. While the Opposition support plans to create an elected second chamber, it has decided to push for a referendum on the issue.

Ed Miliband said that while he supported reform, there should be a referendum given that it was a "major constitutional change".

"I think the best way of making sure that House of Lords reform happens is by giving people a say," he said.

"We’ll obviously see what the committee that has been set up to look at this says on Monday but Labour’s view – which we expressed in our manifesto – is we want a democratically elected second chamber, we wanted a referendum to make that decision and I hope the Government will listen to what people are saying and hopefully what Parliament will be saying."

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A senior Liberal Democrat peer today warned Conservatives that they must back coalition plans to reform the House of Lords - despite a threatened revolt by Tory backbenchers. Conservative MPs were ...
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Blackorpheus
the decisive blows are always struck left-handed
07:02 PM on 04/22/2012
The last "lord" worth his salt was the poet Byron, who had his own probs. And that was two centuries ago.
07:10 PM on 04/21/2012
Think House of Lords should maybe be elected, but for longer terms then House of Commons. Also people who are up for election should be there because of notable ability in their fields, preferably requiring them to be politically neutral (or at least not a member or paid by any political party). Maybe even require members of the House of Lords to renounce any political affiliation, like the Speaker? At the end of the day the House of Lords these days are there to scrutinise laws and suggest changes, at least that's how I understand it. My main concern, however, are the peers who are Lords because of their religious affiliation. I believe religion should be entirely separate from politics, as it is a choice for the individual not for society as a whole. If we were to argue for a purely elected chamber on a similar basis as the House of Commons then we may as well abolish the Lords altogether... Yet I do believe there is the need to have a more independent oversight.
05:00 PM on 04/21/2012
At one time I was all for an elected House of Lords But after witnessing all the lies that we are told by potential candidates for House of commons.....I've changed my mind.
01:33 PM on 04/21/2012
We already have an elected chamber : the House of Commons. That's all that counts. We certainly don't need another.
12:41 PM on 04/21/2012
Thank, if you'll pardon the expression, the Lord that we Scots will hold our referendum and leave this disfunctional government for, "good". By that good I mean something that seems to woosh! over most heads in the southern part of Britain. The present, "Parliament of the United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland", only began after, "The Treaty of the Union of the Parliaments", and was signed by only two equal sovereign countries. Scotland & England. When we leave, "The Parliament of the United Kingdom", ends and England then has no elected parliament of her own. There will legally have to be a complete reorganization and either a new English only parliament or some kind of re-arrangement with the three remaining countries, who all, being constitutional monarchies, still fall under English law and are her Majesty's subjects.
04:54 PM on 04/21/2012
Your very presumptuious,How are you going to gain Independence,if the majority of the Scottish Nation DONT WANT IT.
11:56 PM on 04/21/2012
What!!!!! Have they held the referendum while I was in bed? They must have as you, Fred, know the results.Tell me Fred, what do you think the whole idea of holding a referendum in 2014 is all about? Perhaps you think we should just rely upon the laughable results of such as, "YouGov's", distorted opinion polls for elections and referenda in future? Like the rest of the Labour Party you will never learn that the Scottish electorate no longer believe your lies, distortions, negativity and propaganda. The referendum will be held in 2014, and the SNP campaign will only begin after they get the results of their consultation and analyse them, (you know the SNP one the Government & Labour attempted to make the Scottish electorate think was some kind of opinion poll). As they did, of course, with their own pathetic consultation. Then we will campaign for and fight the local government elections, before the independence debate even begins. So, Fred, whatever information you, think, you have that proves what the Scottish electorate already thinks, you know where you can put it - and I don't mean up your jumper.
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Nathan0316
TrueBlueTory Age quod agis
08:53 PM on 04/20/2012
We need the House of Lords in this country. Yes, a lot of the time they seem to do nothing but a second chamber of peers who are not responsible to the whims of politics is essential to give a proper overview of the situation. If a dangerous policy is floated by an elected Government the Lords have the ability to make them stop, think and re-draw the proposals. They act as a safety valve, a last line of defence against short-term policy-making by the party of the day, whether it be Labour or Tory led.

Normal people might not like it, but do we really need an elected upper chamber that simply grinds to a dead-locked halt, the way the Senate does in the US?
04:38 PM on 04/20/2012
Hereditary Peers have NOT gone. All that has happened was that Blair got tid of them from the Upper House but keeping 92 who then lost their Hereditary Status and became Life Peers.
I am an Hereditary Peers and will always be so. When the Upper House was run by Hereditary Peers, it acted as a safety valve to the House of Commons passing unfavourable Laws into Statute. It was the worse thing that Blair did (apart from the Iran/Iraq war).
04:38 PM on 04/20/2012
Please no more tiers of elected politicians!! What with the EU threatening tighter control,moves towards delegating responsibilities to the loacal councils and Scotland's referendum this is the wrong time
Disband them if you like, Populate some of these interminable committees with them or leave them as they are. a talking shop
But as soon as they receive a vote no matter how small they will claim their right to their say.
I seriously believe that it is over due for there to be a root and branch review of how we are governed and simply voting for another tier is totally wrong
Lord Elpus
If you're going through hell, keep going
04:26 PM on 04/20/2012
Leave us alone!
04:22 PM on 04/20/2012
The top photo on this page looks like a dodgy santa convention.
03:42 PM on 04/20/2012
The same party objected to the end of slavery, giving women the vote, votes for anyone who was not a major landowner, and the establishment of the NHS. THEY NEVER CHANGE.
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casual agent
Advocate for social justice
07:25 PM on 04/20/2012
Absolutely right'...Left to those Nasty Tories'..We would still be sending children to work instead of school...The lords are out-dated'irrelevant'undemocratic'..and un-constitutional....As you have stated Tories' have always been for themselves'..but the Libdumbs' are hypocrites and liars'...So I wouldn't be surprised he they backed down over this eventually'..Just to hold on to their seats..Well for a while at least..?
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Chris Burgess
George Bush. The Worst President Ever!
03:34 PM on 04/20/2012
Elect member of parliament? What next?
03:25 PM on 04/20/2012
I wonder how many folk who want an elected House of Lords can name local councillors, their MP, and their MEP.

I would have a House of Lords made up of leaders of organisations in the professions, businesses, unions, services, sciences and technologies. We have hundreds of well-managed national organisations that could elect or select members for a fixed term period.

This would give us a non-political Lords filled with expertise.

But if you want another level of government filled with politicians from the main parties then go for an elected House of Lords as described and offered to you by those who will benefit from it - the party politicians.

They are already lining up to be police commissioners and mayors.
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Jim Schreiber
The scientific method is my Bible.
02:17 PM on 04/20/2012
We could only hope that the Tory Lords all quit in protest. Result!
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Advocate for social justice
07:55 PM on 04/21/2012
Yeah?....We'll be lucky...
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Zurichilux
A liberal conservative controversialist
01:47 PM on 04/20/2012
Why should they not be elected? Im sick of having a building full of these unelected thieving dinosaurs living off the taxpayer. If you cant change the system to make them elected, get rid of them completely!
03:27 PM on 04/20/2012
An elected House of Lords will costs much more. The hereditary peers are getting kicked out. It will be life peers only. They are not paid. Their expenses will be pennies compared to salaries - and expenses - of another five hundred politicians.