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To These Young People, There Really is no Such Thing as Society

Posted: 11/08/11 01:00

Londoners have passed a night of relative peace and quiet, as opportunistic rioting and looting spread to other English cities.

As shock fades, the recriminations begin. Conservative MPs accuse the previous Labour government of fostering welfare dependency, failing to improve education and forcing fiscal austerity upon the nation. Labour MPs allege that coalition government spending cuts have created a context of weaker policing, youth unemployment and destroyed opportunities.

Both sides are wrong to blame each other without admitting to their own part. The deficit reduction objectives of Conservative and Liberal Democrat politicians are correct but indubitably they are creating difficult and perilous readjustments. This should be acknowledged. Labour politicians should face up to the fact of the economic mire they bequeathed, and the fact that youth unemployment stood at 2.5 million when they left office. Furthermore, a youth in Manchester interviewed on this morning's Today programme said, "I'll keep doing it until I get caught - the prisons are full so what are they going to do, give me an Asbo?" The Labour government filled our prisons to record numbers and introduced the utterly ineffectual Asbo.

As Robert Halfon writes this morning on ConservativeHome, "the causes go deep." Deeper than the last government, and the government before that, and so on. Every government makes mistakes.

Blaming these riots on policies announced in the past 12 months is ignorant and intellectually lazy. Last night, the deputy leader of the Labour party, Harriet Harman, said the Government was not on the side of young people and alluded to tuition fees, the EMA and youth unemployment as causes for the discontent (see Newsnight clip below).

Showing the brazen obstinacy that has become her hallmark, Ms Harman ignored the fact that a re-elected Labour Government, which first introduced tuition fees (breaking a manifesto pledge) and commissioned the Browne Report, would have had to increase tuition fees. She ignored the fact that her government had plans to reform the inefficient EMA. New Statesmen blogger Dan Hodges tweets that if Labour continues to focus on it, the party will be out of power for a generation.

But most significantly, Ms Harman made the curious assumption that the young people rioting and looting in the streets of London and other cities have anything more than the remotest of ambitions for staying on at school or going to university.

Herein lies the root cause of the recent violence. It is found in the anger of an economic and social underclass in Britain's cities; a collective rage borne out of disillusionment and exclusion. No single party, no single politician, no single government can be blamed for this miserable phenomenon. To ignore this demonstrates a collective dereliction of responsibility not dissimilar to that shown by the perpetrators of the past few days.

These are communities bereft of identity, responsibility and hope. A politician once said that there is no such thing as society; another more recently said that there is such a thing, it just isn't the same thing as the state. But what the indiscriminate vandalism and cruelty demonstrates is that society is irrelevant to you, if you don't even know of any such thing as community.

 

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14:07 on 12/08/2011
This softly softly approach for many years have resulted in disrespect by youth toward their elders, teachers, police, etc. Now they think they rule the world and are owed by society some sort of debt. They expect to be given everything for free and not put in the hard work.
They think that small shop keepers are "rich", but fail to realise a lot of them are having to work 24/7 to keep their business open. Their attitude is "why should I work when I can get more on benefits"!
Some parents have got the same attitude and are not leading by example. Some of them had children when they themselves were children. So children raising children?!

You can't blame the lack of facilities for youth that started these riots. When I was young I played outside with my friends and had "imagination" to keep us busy. My family didn't have a lot of money either, but that didn't want to make me steal. Kids now talk about "respect", but they think respect is something you should get automatically. You earn respect by contributing to society.
But now with all this political correctness you can't say anything about someone's background or you are being accused of racism. This is a generation problem and not a colour of skin problem, as the riots have showed that every kind of background participated. Tougher measurements are needed to get this generation back into shape!
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10:11 on 11/08/2011
When we talk about responsibility, we leave out one major group of people who need to face responsibility: parents. Parents are the ones who are supposed to teach their kids right and wrong, parents are the ones who should make sure their kids are home at night, parents are the ones who are ultimately responsible for their children. Parents have given up on their children in this country and it's so plain to see. I'm an American ex-pat and have a few young, married American friends in this country and no one wants to raise kids here. You see it every day - kids don't have respect for others and the first place they learn that is at home.
09:14 on 11/08/2011
Good piece. The public debate should be conducted slowly, over weeks and months. Politicians are pressed by the media to rush to judgement. For once they should try not to do so.
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DaveJohnWard
08:39 on 11/08/2011
It seems to me that 'these people' do have a concept of society, it's just not 'our' society. They have their family groups, we just call them gangs, they have their communities, we just call them post code ghettos.
The real problem is that the two sides are talking totally different languages and have no interest in seeing or hearing the other side.
If 'we' truly believe that 'our' vision of society is right and that alternatives are unacceptable, then we must enforce a 'conform or leave' regime. If we think that co-existence is the way forward then we must work out what are the compromises which need to be agreed upon.
There is rarely a right or wrong in these things, it's all shades of grey. What we need is proper leadership to move us toward the compromises, not sound bites from interested parties firing cheap shots at their political opponents (c.f. Ms Harman and others)
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Bob Metcalfe
Caught at 1st. slip trying to cut
06:59 on 11/08/2011
We should ask ourselves the question, "What is the economy for?" If it is not satisfying the needs and at least some of the wants of these young people why should they bother taking part in it? They're unemployed­, sometimes generation­ally, they have no hope no skills, and are living in one of the most unequal societies in the world. No one seems to take the slightest bit of notice of them unless they are rioting. They constantly bombarded by advertisements for things they can't afford, so some of them seem intent on redressing some of the inequalities by stealing. I can't say as I really blame them a great deal.
pixie66
per aspera ad astra
04:50 on 11/08/2011
These people..?
Who are "these" people? Lower classes?
UK is the pits...When I think how loftily Mr. Blair reprimanded the people from the Blakans...and gave some moral lectures about the civil society and the war between "civilized" and the "uncivilized" makes me laugh...We should stop using the word "Balkanization" and start using the word anglo-saxon-ization ....(slavery, colonization, genocide, conflict)...
What a PRIMITIVE violent society divided by CLASS...and this is our "cultural model" ?
BARBARIANS....
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04:37 on 11/08/2011
If you are on the right the solution is really quite obvious

You force them to create their own opportunities - next problem
11:05 on 11/08/2011
opportunity, requires cash, something unavailable to the poor and unemployed, a "fair" system is required but the "right" or "left" wont implement that in a hurry, they're too busy filling their own pockets to care about having a just system.
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rda1911a1
God Bless John Browning
16:31 on 11/08/2011
hmmm I suspect a child in the slums of India or a village in Sudan would think the opportunities allowed a youth in London to be the stuff of fairy tales.
00:09 on 11/08/2011
I am glad that you have used the word 'underclass'. There's been much disagreement on whether this is a politically correct term or not but I think that society must be brave enough to confront the realities around us. There is an underclass that will not engage with society. We are witnessing the members of this underclass rampaging. I doubt whether any policy instrument, government initiative or community act can instill a sense of responsibility in these people for the simple reason that they aren't interested in forming this trait. The only thing that could possibly work is by using the justice system to act as a deterrent. This may then force them to reconsider their actions.
12:18 on 11/08/2011
Recently the results of an initiative about reducing gang-related crime in Glasgow was published. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-14012001

The initiative involved targeting youths who are most likely to be in gangs the option: the reality of the path they are falling into OR come join us and we will help you with education/job skills/etc.

This initiative resulted in a DECREASE in crime. Just the threat of jail is not enough, they need the support to get them to be "successful members of society".
09:24 on 12/08/2011
pity we don't have politicians with rational thought processes like this, oh, forgot, they're too busy thinking about how to fiddle expenses, and, they wonder why the people are kicking off.