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Britain and Its Place Within the Eurozone

Posted: 04/07/2012 00:00

Some time ago, nearly 20 years ago, the members of the European Union, decided to split between those countries that wished to be part of a single currency - the euro - and those countries that did not wish to be part of the euro.

The United Kingdom emphatically decided that Britain did not wish to be part of the euro.

John Major negotiated for Britain a specific 'opt out' from the euro at the time of the Maastricht Treaty.

Successive Conservative Party leaders have made it clear that Britain would never join the euro under a Conservative government.

A sizeable number of countries, including France and Germany, are member of the eurozone.

They are also our neighbours and significant trading partners.

It is not in our interests that the eurozone collapse.

There is a general consensus within the eurozone that for the eurozone to stabilise and to have greater stability in the future there needs to be even greater integration of central tax and spending policies within the eurozone - i.e more centralised decision-taking, greater central control, reflecting one currency and one currency reflecting the need for one tax policy and a single approach to public spending within the eurozone.

Britain is clearly not going to be part of this ever more closely integrated eurozone.

This is going to mean that there will be a number of countries within the European Union outside of the eurozone, made up of

• countries such as Britain that have made a conscious decision that effectively they never wish to join the eurozone;
• newer members to the European Union who may have been contemplating joining the eurozone but had not yet been accepted for membership; and
• the possibility that some countries, such as Greece, which have been members of the eurozone, may for various reasons fall out of the eurozone.

Can the European Union copes with two such distinct blocs?

If so, how do the institutions of the European Union, particularly the Commission, fairly reflect the interests of both countries within the eurozone and countries outside the eurozone.

If not, do the EU member states outside of the eurozone start to have a completely new relationship with the EU Member States within the eurozone?

Somewhat akin to the relationship that EFTA (European Free Trade Association) countries used to have with the Common Market before many of the EFTA member countries joined the EU.

However, in these circumstances, would the UK still nominate Commissioners, attend meetings of the Council of Ministers, and be part of the European Parliament.

Would it be in our interests to help set up a new Trade Association of countries within Europe but outside of the eurozone?

Or if everyone just goes their own way?

What would all of this mean for the City of London?

UK Banking, insurance, chartered Surveyors, Lawyers and other professions, directly and indirectly provide huge numbers of jobs in London and the South of England. What would happen to the City of London if it were to be outside of the European Union?

There are many similar issues.

For the last nearly 40 years, UK agriculture has been based on policies of a Common Agricultural policy. If Britain were to leave the EU, what impact would this have on UK farming and the cost of food?

What is for certain is that at some point in the not too distant future, the European Union is going to look different from that which it looks today.

However, at the present moment, everyone is "doing immediate fire-fighting" on saving the eurozone.

It will only be once the eurozone is stabilised and working reasonably effectively, that it will it be possible for people to give time to working out the shape of a new European Union.

At that point it is clearly going to be sensible for the United Kingdom to negotiate a different relationship with what will be a different looking entity and at that time for Britain to have a referendum on determining Britain's future.

 

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Some time ago, nearly 20 years ago, the members of the European Union, decided to split between those countries that wished to be part of a single currency - the euro - and those countries that did no...
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06:27 on 06/07/2012
Tax harmonisation of all EU member countries will be the final nail in the coffin of this un-democratic monster. It is merely a gravy train for the privileged few that claim to have been elected to serve us,

Even UKIP MEP's have gone native.
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20:40 on 05/07/2012
so its only britain thats against a more integrated europe? this is unlikely, i am quite sure folk of other countrys want to keep there identity just as we do ............................
18:30 on 05/07/2012
There is a rumour going around that Britain will be 'expelled' from Europe - a bit like being expelled from school for being a naughty pupil..
07:27 on 05/07/2012
Where should Britain sit within Europe? Outside the door of it.
18:56 on 05/07/2012
Like any blind begger with it's begging bowl outstretched eh?
19:55 on 05/07/2012
Think positive..........Britain has never had to beg and we wont start now.
06:23 on 05/07/2012
The ' common market ' which is what we joined [after decades of being blocked by the french] was and is a good thing , it promote's trade & commerce which means jobs . The EU as it is now , is a chaotic catastrophe , which I can only see getting worse , its full of power hungry [& some very inept] MEPs and a support staff larger than most countries armed forces , they rarely agree on things and end up cobbling together chaotic complicated policies , which are costly to enforce and sometimes impractical , Its vastly to expensive , full of corruption & a blackhole where untold millions disappear every year & the auditors have never signed the accounts off . EU ' no ', a free trade Bloc administered by a council consisting of one minister per member state ' yes ' . A Central European Goverment is to much power centered in one place , to remote from the electorate of member states and its one size fits all policies will never be universally accepted by the people. As things stand in a referendum I would vote to get out .
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18:30 on 05/07/2012
Total common sense. We have gone from the Common Market we voted for in 1975 to a bureaucratic monster via 3 of the worst Treaties this country ever signed up to. If the referendum question is yes or no to an unreformed EU I would vote to get out too. We can do far better than the mediocrity of this ridiculous federal project and the years of stagnation to come thanks to that other piece of EU genius...the Euro!
00:16 on 05/07/2012
The British public were conned over our entry into Europe.

Prime Minister Edward Heath made the following statement in a television broadcast in January 1973. "There are some in this country who fear that in going into Europe we shall in some way sacrifice independence and sovereignty. These fears, I need hardly say, are completely unjustified"!

By the time Edward Heath launched his successful application to 'enter Europe' in 1970, he was already well versed in how to pretend it was something other than it was. Parliament and the British people were incessantly assured that entry into Common Market was simply a matter of trade and jobs! In no way would the British way of life be changed or Britain's right to run her own affairs curtailed!

In June 1975, the month when inflation hit 27%, the highest in history, came the referendum, Surrounded by evidence of a major economic crisis, the British people voted to remain in the "Common Market" which the vast majority still believed was intended to be no more than a free trading arrangement.

Europe is not our biggest trading partner. There are plenty of opportunities for additional trade with the developing nations!
01:15 on 05/07/2012
"Europe is not our biggest trading partner."

Except Europe IS Britain's trading partner by any real measure. Look up the statistics for yourself. You're entitled to your opinion, but you can't start inventing facts just to suit your narrative. Exports to Germany ALONE nearly match those to the US.
07:30 on 05/07/2012
Departing from Europe does not mean that trading with them will be at an end. Since a huge number of our industries are now owned by European countries, for them to stop trading here would be like shooting themselves in the foot. We can't even take a drink of water now without paying the French.
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18:41 on 05/07/2012
You forgot to mention that we have a trade deficit with the EU of almost £50 billion. If you strip out our financial service exports it's nearer to £100 billion. Will all these EU countries suddenly stop flooding us with their exports?

And by the way we have a trade surplus of over £30 billion with the US. Do you think we should concentrate our trade efforts on the EU which will be stagnating for years because of the Euro disaster?

Or would we do much better going after exports to high growth economies in south east Asia, Russia, India, South America etc? If you think our future growth prospects lie in the EU I think you might be disappointed.....
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00:13 on 05/07/2012
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: One of the biggest problems facing the Eurozone is the lack of a common language. In the USA, if you lose your job in one part of the country you have the option to move to another. Not so within the EU, normal people can't move outside their own area to look for work elsewhere if there's none to be had at home because they don't speak the lingo.

Introduce compulsory, EU wide Esperanto lessons for all citizens and within ten years people would be able to start thinking of themselves as Europeans, not French or German, Spanish or Greek, whatever.

And for the love of all that is holy, if you're going to integrate, do it properly! How are 17 different governments ever going to agree on anything? You've still got 3 different EU Presidents of one kind or another, who's actually in charge?
01:18 on 05/07/2012
You can't force integration on people. Ironically that's what right-wing euroskeptics consistently accuse European politicians of doing, but it doesn't gel with the reality. In truth as little integration as possible is done every step of the way, and any that is done is a fudge which tries to accommodate national sensitivities.
08:44 on 05/07/2012
I'm sorry, but what planet do you live on. This country is full of Poles,Russians,Spanish,Germans who all speak excellent english. It's only the English that can't speak foreign languages, because they are too lazy. Myself of course being an exception,!!!! I speak Spanish and German.
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11:54 on 05/07/2012
Uh-huh, and that has what to do with the people living in the EU?
I didn't say anything about the people living in this country, or whether they speak English or not, I suggested they teach Esperanto (which is a DIFFERENT language, it's not English in case that's the source of your confusion) to all EU citizens (of which Britain is a peripheral member) so they could have freedom of labour movement within the Eurozone.
May I suggest you read the article and any comments you intend to reply to first before insulting people in future.
22:32 on 04/07/2012
Join NAFTA. the North American Free Trade Association. This combined with our commonwealth collegues including the Germans would be a sustainable and successful union. No need for a monetary union. It didn't do the EU any good.
01:19 on 05/07/2012
How didn't it do the EU any good? The monetary union and the decades of work that led to it, have helped maintain price stability and increase trade. Yes the crisis mechanisms were inadequate, but to say it has done the EU no good is a nonsense.
19:06 on 05/07/2012
Tell that to the couple of hundred millions who spend their euro;s anywhere across then bulk of Europe, most of whom have never used anything else for a decade or so. Many would not recognise their previous currency if they were handed parcels of it.

I suggest few would even contemplate reverting to those previous currencies now. it's been too long to revert for most Eurozone citizens.

As for the language matter, there are hundreds of thousands who have entered the Euro jobs scene with little more than school kid French, German etc, the same in reverse, as similar numbers have come to work here with very basic basic English, and from ALL of the other 26 nation states in the EU. the argument about language is a false laid trail.
10:09 on 08/07/2012
Euro in use to long for EU citizens to revert to their traditional currencies ?, they converted to the euro with little problem and I see no reason why 'should the euro collapse' , they would have any great problem relearning how to use their traditional currency , over the centuries there have been many changes to currencies and people have always managed to adapt .
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20:21 on 04/07/2012
Vote UKIP and get us out of Europe
20:28 on 04/07/2012
What does "get us out of Europe" mean? What are the benefits of isolating oneself from one's biggest trading partner?
20:44 on 04/07/2012
Why would we be isolating oneself from ones biggest trading partner? Nobody is suggesting not trading with Europe mearly to determine our own destiny and not be governed by Brussells. Example, control our own borders, stop paying £50 million a day into EU coffers, dismantle the ridiculous human rights fiasco that seems to just protect asylum seekers and terrorists etc, fish our own waters without throwing half back.
If we stopped buying Mercs, BMW's Audis, German kitchen appliances and the likes guess who would squeak the most? They'll trade with us in or out of EU.
20:47 on 04/07/2012
No thanks I'm not racist.
07:43 on 05/07/2012
I bet you are but you either don't know it or you wont admit it.
19:49 on 04/07/2012
Get us out of Europe
20:28 on 04/07/2012
What does this mean?
07:45 on 05/07/2012
I agree, we managed very well before this country was seriously injected by foreign culture and regulations.
18:36 on 04/07/2012
im no politican or banker, but the way i see it we should sit as far away as possible from europe, all it does is drain the uk, , gives me and my family less to live on , its taken a lot of our jobs with all these eu workers over here, i could go on, but i see germany seem to be sitting pretty telling everyone else what to do and most of their industrys doing well
20:30 on 04/07/2012
How does Europe "drain the UK". How has it personally given your family less to live on? Why are the jobs to which you refer "our" jobs? Last I checked, jobs were private property that belonged to employers. Germany are doing well because they don't overspend unlike the UK and many of their European neighbours.
07:53 on 05/07/2012
What has Europe done for me? Absolutely nothing and I am sure that the man on the street has received as much as me by being part of Europe. I agree that some have thrived on it, like all those MEPs who fiddle their expenses claims and greedy businessmen but Joe Bloggs has not benefited one bit. What it has actually done for me personally has been to destroy what was the largest Merchant Navy in the world and in doing so, my job was taken by a foreigner. Vote UKip and they will kick Europe into touch. Initially there would be changes that will be hard to take but eventually we will be better off out than in.
09:38 on 05/07/2012
The truth is Labour overspent on things they shouldn't Blair sucked up to Brussels because what he wanted was to be the President of the EU.to me what we should all be able to do is make our own laws not be told by Brussels what to do ,Many of our laws are irrelevant to us made by the turkeys of Europe,
Common agriculture policy yes the french take most of the money lets get out NOW
08:51 on 05/07/2012
If you pay the orchestra, then you can decide what music they play. The Germans are sick and tired of paying, who can blame them.
13:28 on 05/07/2012
If the other EU countries can't buy German products, then they too, feel the pinch. We have all contributed to Germany's wealth.... and the whole point of Europe is that all the countries support each other... you can't say it's OK when things are going well, but not when things get difficult. As the EU Mantra is 'ever closer union', the I'm allright jack stance just doesn't stack up.
18:17 on 04/07/2012
foreign countries already have too much influence on what happens in britain, become an outside partner, britain does not need to be in the EU to trade with them..they have done nothing but drain britain of its rights, its money and its jobs..with help from the government of britain..so tired of the EU..
20:31 on 04/07/2012
How do you expect the situation to improve outside the European Union?
00:46 on 05/07/2012
well, our government will not be "told" to give money away to companies or countries with no hope of ever getting it back, money that would be far better being spent at home to improve small companies chances of getting off the ground, or improving the roads, the NHS, elderly care. just little things like that, of course there would be other benefits too..but im not going to babble on haha
18:09 on 04/07/2012
I wouldn't have voted for it but at least the Common Market made some kind of sense. The EU is an artificial construct based merely on the fact that countries share the same tectonic plate - that's all 'Europe' is. Previously, the UK shared very little cultural, economic, trade or any other kind of ties with countries like Bulgaria or Estonia; certainly far less than it had with USA, Canada, Australia or even Fiji. A federal EU would not enhance the UKs economy or trade in any way; this is largely dictated by much larger world-wide agreements such as the WTA, in which the EU perhaps punches a bigger weight than it would as individual countries, although the UK, as a top ten world economy, would still wield influence, especially when in comes to European trade. The UK is a huge market for other EU members, which means if we cannot survive without the EU then the EU cannot survive without us; some kind of EEA/EFTA deal would have to be struck, leaving the UK in a kind of Common Market version of the EU, which many other EU countries may prefer in the long run once the heavyweight of the UK is leading it rather than the lightweight Norway and give-a-toss Swiss. There is no sensible argument for a federal EU but unfortunately politicians love the idea, as do lovers of utopian ideals, which the realists among us know will always implode
20:32 on 04/07/2012
Politicians actually don't love the idea as it's not a vote winner. People's nationalist tendencies are too strong. But unfortunately the stuff that is liked, and is necessary, like the euro not collapsing requires more integration. I don't think anyone actually wants a federal Europe, but further integration is necessary.
22:03 on 04/07/2012
No - apart from the die-hard anti-EU MPs, politicians DO love the idea of the EU, even if they speak against it; they want to sit on the councils, get travel & expenses to go all over Europe, the opportunity to feel much more important and grown-up. Cameron doesnt want to be in the Euro but he loves the summits and councils and doesnt want a Euro council on which he doesnt have a seat - not because it will reduce his opportunity to influence things for the UK but because he'll feel distraught at being left out of a meeting of all the other big boys in school and knows they'll gang up against him. And surely any further integration would be de facto federalism by its very nature - a single economy to ensure the success of the Euro (and the only way to ensure members never again have divergent economies whilst using a single currency) IS a federal EU
13:37 on 05/07/2012
Your first line says it all. this is why we have been denied our right to vote on this.
17:55 on 04/07/2012
The 'Link' Headline to this article reads 'Where should Britain Sit Within Europe?'. I should say about 22 miles away....
13:38 on 05/07/2012
Nice one :-))