Following the agreement between David Cameron and Alex Salmond, Scotland's First Minister will be able to say he has kept his promise to hold a referendum on Scottish independence in 2014. Given the low regard in which politicians generally are held, keeping such a major promise is no trivial thing.
However, from Salmond's point of view, it is about the only thing going for him. Indeed, were he to be given a truth drug, he might well curse the fact that the SNP won last year's Scottish elections outright, and thus found himself in a position to keep his promise. He would surely have been much happier remaining the leader of a minority government, unable to get his independence legislation through Holyrood. Then he could have railed against the Scottish satraps of the Britain - wide parties for silencing the voice of the Scottish people.
Instead, by winning an outright majority, he has shot his own fox. Rather than shed crocodile tears for his inability to call a referendum, he must now put the issue to the test. As a shrewd and intelligent man - indeed, one of the shrewdest and most intelligent in British politics - he must know that his mission is impossible, that in two years time his country will vote to remain part of the United Kingdom, and that far from being achieved, independence will be deferred for at least a generation.
All YouGov's evidence from the past four years is that independence is a minority passion north of the border. Even as the SNP was surging to victory last year, Scots told us by two-to-one that they wanted to remain within the UK. The SNP won because most Scots thought it had governed their country well, because they liked Salmond, and because they thought the Scottish Labour Party was useless - not because they wanted to sever links with London.
Our latest Britain-wide poll for the Sunday Times suggests that independence remains a very hard sell. The key issue is whether Scotland would be economically stronger on its own. The Scots say no, by two-to-one. To be sure, there are just under 200 Scots in this sample, so the margin for error is large; but our voting figures are in line with other recent Scottish polls (Labour is back in a comfortable lead when people are asked how they would vote in a British general election), so there is no evidence that this particular sample under-represents the kind of people who think independence would be good for Scotland's economy.
Nor does it seem likely that this picture will be radically defaced by the two things Salmond has reportedly achieved in his talks with Cameron.
First, he appears to have got his way on the wording of the referendum question. Salmond wants it to say: 'Do you agree that Scotland should be an independent country?' Critics have said this is a loaded question. They are right. We pollsters prefer more balanced questions. Instead of offering a Yes/No choice to a single proposition, we would normally offer two alternatives - in the case, independence or staying part of the UK - or, if testing a specific idea, ask people whether they support or oppose it.
However, I don't think the loaded nature of the question will make any difference to the outcome. In a poll, balance matters because we are generally springing on people questions to which they may not have given much thought. In these circumstances, wording can affect the results we obtain. But when people vote in a referendum, they do so having been bombarded with arguments for and against. Voting will be a deliberate act. People will have decided whether they are for or against independence. This means that the precise words on the ballot paper won't matter. Cameron is right to have conceded on the wording. In practice he has conceded nothing that will affect the outcome - and, if the Scots vote to stay in the UK, Salmond won't be able to complain they were asked the 'wrong' question.
Salmond's second 'success' has been to get a green light to lower the voting age for the referendum to 16. However, if he thinks this will make anything more than the tiniest difference, he is uncharacteristically wide of the mark. Even if all 16 and 17-year olds who are entitled to vote are added to the register, this will add 3-4% to the electorate. All the evidence is that the younger the elector the less likely s/he is to vote. And those who do vote do so in roughly the same shares as their parents.
This means that the most Salmond can realistically hope for is that reducing the voting age will increase the number of people who vote by 2%, and that the pro-independence vote among 16 and 17-year olds will be ten percentage points higher than that of the rest of Scotland's voters. The overall effect will be to increase the share of the Yes vote by 0.2 percentage points. And that's an optimistic estimate: changing the voting age might make no difference whatsoever, or even reduce the Yes share fractionally. Again, Cameron has done the unionist cause, no real harm by conceding the point.
In order to win the referendum, Salmond will have to defy history and deploy his great campaigning skills to truly remarkable effect. As I have argued before, when referendums are used to resolve national divisions, the status quo tends to prevail. Normally it requires a consensus for change for a referendum to produce a Yes majority. No such consensus currently exists in Scotland and none seems likely. And on the biggest single influence on attitudes - whether independence would strengthen Scotland's economy - most Scots are fearful of going it alone.
Salmond deserves credit for ensuring that, 314 years after the Act of Union, Scots will finally be asked whether they want to stay joined to the rest of the UK; but he is most unlikely to like the answer.
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Private oil companies like Shell and Chevron paid to develop oil fields in the North Sea not the UK Government. The UK Government only granted the license to explore and extract the oil and of course, collects the taxes. Sorry to disappoint you, the oil revenues from Scottish waters would be Scotland's alone,
Denmark, Finland and Norway all have populations similar to Scotland's. Are their voices lost in the world? What's size of population got to do with it?
Resources? Scotland has around 25% of Europes tidal energy and 10% of its wave energy. Scotland is already a net exporter of electricity. A wealth of research and development facilities, some of the best education in the world. We'll be fine with our "few" resources thanks.
Scotland's Armed forces would be at least as good as and more likely much better than those currently defending it and for a great deal less.
http://www.rusi.org/downloads/assets/Scottish_Defence_Forces_Oct_2012.pdf
To save you reading it all, just have a look at the conclusions on page 32.
In pointing out that it won't be plain sailing, either way the vote turns out is merely an obvious statement. It requires sensible arguments to be put forward and a lessening of emotional temperature.
What good would it do if bitterness prevailed all round, whatever the result.
To my knowledge a Welshman considers Wales his country and - as I said previously - even parts of Cornwall and NE England have raised such issues of breakaway at appropriate times.
One thing is nigh for certain; the Earth will still orbit the Sun and life will continue - excluding nuclear armageddon.
There are no oil fields either on the islands or in the sea area around them.
Hence any Northsea oil around Shetland's belong's to the Shetland's.
Was that more snp republican properganda??
The first owing billion's to Britain,the second bailed out to the tune of billion's by Britain.
One major worry is, because of the grandstand approach and communications technology available to the political animal, coupled with how easily the masses (including me) can be swayed under broadcast messages hammered into one's brain (think Goebbels), then impulsive swings one way or the other can take on tsunami proportions.
Rhetoric overrides reason and whimsicality replaces reason more often, these days.
Still, Que Sara Sara! Most Scots I've rubbed shoulders with are truly canny.
The UK can't pass any on as it is a signatory to the nuclear non-proliferation treaty.
Besides, the SNP government wants to become a nuclear-free zone.
I don't think that those north of the border realise there is growing animosity south of it. Passions are being raised that can do neither country any good. The immense complexities that will result from a yes vote is bound to have an impact across the UK - and not necessarily all good. In fact, most likely all negative.
In conclusion, 'Look Before You Leap'.
Erm you've been reading to many right wing opinion polls rectify.
I don't care if passions are being raised in england most scots don't it's none of your business what scotland decides keep your nose out of scotlands business the sooner we seperate from the UK the better then you can go and sponge of some other poor country
If England had an accident with a nuclear bomb,this island is so small it would effect every corner of it.
The rest of the UK take more export's of you than any other country,over a million Scot's live in England alone,50% of the Scottish nation has got some family member living in south of the border.
As for sponging check your capital spending against the rest of the UK,and how much defict has accured in Scotland over the last 5 year's.
With less than 25% wanting independence,power hungery salmond should have spent his time getting Scotland full control of it's taxes and revenue,but staying as two seperate countries in the most successful Union in modern history.
A similar event took place in Canada (1995 Quebec referendum)
The Québécois people wished to secede from Canada and become an independent state,
but their request did not succeed by a narrow margin
(49.42% "Yes" -- 50.58% "No).
PS
I remember reading about this event years ago:
"Québécois are scared of losing "Canadians" government benefits"
What guarantee's does the working class families in Scotland have they will be better off breaking away from the Union??
What guarantee's does the unemployed,the disabled,the pensioner's have?
What guarantee's are there it wont cost the Scottish public,higher taxes,cut back in services,loss of job's etc ?
salmond wont even devulge what fact's he has been given on the EU.
The Labour party gave the Scottish people the right to have their own parliment,and to let little and power hungery people like salmond to come along,to try and break up the Union.
Why do the people of Scotland want more powers for civil servants?
In my opinion...
1. In Québec in 95 the Yes side was at 43% before the 95 referendum and was lost (by 1%) because of massive spending during the campaign (10 to 1) most of it illegal channelled through Crown Corporations and such. Scotland I understand has massive cash reserves for the referendum and has not even really started getting ready for the actual campaign. Advantage Yes side (IMO) especially that there is likely going to be a spike in support during the campaign. Unionists should perhaps think of how they could offer a really interesting "DEVO-MAX" package to the Scots.
2. As for the "next generation" argument... PQ Pauline Marois, has just been elected first women PM in Québec. Generations are not what they used to be.
Err .. no.
In fact the SNP government is doing its best to reduce the amount of money that can be spent by various bodies on referendum campaigning'.
taxing the Welsh to keep the Scots in the union... lovely!
Please don't try that old trick of trying to liken the SNP with your dodgy mob at Westminster.
"All YouGov's evidence from the past four years is that independence is a minority passion north of the border"
Erm...was your poll correct on the Holyrood elections in 2011?
You know as well as I do Peter that polls can be made to say what you want them to say and considering Alistair Darling commissioned a poll this year through 'yougov' it would come as no suprise that a dodgy 'no' poll was recorded.
Still believe in Thatcherism Peter? No suprise there either eh.
Both you and I have our opinions about politics, and the wisdom (or non) of Scottish independence, but you are accusing a professional pollster of using dodgy methodology to reach a certain conclusion.
There is no possible gain in manipulating polls or mischaracterising the results for a professional pollster. Think about it.
Make no mistake about the tenacity of the Scots, regardless of polls, pundits, labourite has beens, tory minority, etc, etc, it is in the nature of Scots to do precisely what no one else wants them to do. Or, expects. Scotland v England, see: Bannockburn 1314. Lest we forget, Scots went to kiss the a@s of english king that day.