Fox Fisher and Owl Stefania were invited on the ITV breakfast show to discuss their own gender neutrality, after Piers previously sparked outrage by calling the concept of non-binary “ridiculous” and “anarchy”.
The pair held a heated debate with Piers, as they pleaded with him to stop treating the matter as a “hypothetical intellectual discussion”, and realise that 48% of trans youth are attempting suicide.
Fox, who was assigned female at birth, attempted to define what non-binary is to Piers, explaining it is “about gender identity versus gender expression”.
“My gender identity is non-binary and my gender expression is more masculine, so I hope that clears it up a little bit,” they said.
“I define as non-binary. That means that I identify as neither male or female fully.”
Asked whether they feel like two genders, Owl - who was assigned male at birth - said: “No. I sort of denounce the idea of being a man or a woman. A non-binary is an identity on its own outside of this binary.”
As Piers questioned whether the concept was “gobbledigook”, Fox insisted: “It’s not gobbledigook - you’ve got to respect what people want to be called.”
“It’s about respect,” Owl added.
Piers then asked whether he could identify as a black woman, to which Owl replied: “It doesn’t really change anything about my life how another person identifies, you can identify in any way you want and that’s up to you.”
Fox added: “You can. That doesn’t take away from how we identify.”
Owl continued: “The problem is this is a hypothetical intellectual discussion for you, but this is about our actual identity.”
“This is our lives, this is every day, not just a four minute segment,” Fox insisted.
Owl went on: “If you truly want to identify in that way, you can, but I know that you don’t. I respect anyone’s right to identify as they want.”
Asked how many people this affects, Fox said: “I just think non-binary issues aren’t going to go away so it’s either you get on board.
“We don’t know, that’s the thing. What does non-binary look like? We’re here to kind of show you that actually gender expression and gender identity are two different things, and non-binary people aren’t just wearing paper bags.”
Being flippant, Piers then asked if he could identify as an elephant, insisting: “What else can you say I’m not? If I identify now as anything… can I be anything I want? Can I be an elephant? Can I literally say I’m now an elephant and do I get afforded elephant rights? Can I go to London Zoo and demand to be put in an elephant compound because I have decided I’m an elephant?”
Branding his argument “silly”, Fox highlighted some key statistics, explaining: “The real question should be why is it that 48% of trans youth are attempting suicide? I think we need to look into that because this is a real thing.”
Owl added: “It’s not about erasing gender. Nobody’s saying that people cannot be men or women, we’re saying that people can also be non-binary and gender needs to expand.”
Fox continued: “Please stop fear mongering as it doesn’t help. It’s not a fad.”
Owl went on: “It’s not about being cool, it’s about an inner sense of self and an identity that you identify with.”
Their argument won huge praise from viewers on Twitter:
‘Good Morning Britain’ airs weekdays at 6am on ITV.