Michelle Visage Talks Adore Delano's 'RuPaul's Drag Race All Stars' Exit, Phi Phi O'Hara And Season 9 (EXCLUSIVE)

She also dished on Phi Phi O'Hara, online trolling and Ru's Emmy win.
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Fans of ‘RuPaul’s Drag Race’ have had plenty to sink their teeth into during the most recent series of ‘All Stars’, which is currently airing in the US.

Adore Delano, an early hot favourite for the ‘All Stars’ crown, shocked fans when she became the first queen in ‘Drag Race’ herstory to walk away from the show, after getting a dressing down from judge Michelle Visage on the main stage. The drama doesn’t stop there, though, with competitor Phi Phi O’Hara later repeatedly speaking out against the show, accusing producers of giving her an unfair edit.

Ahead of her appearance on the ‘Christmas Queens’ UK tour, we got all the T from Michelle about Phi Phi’s comments, the backlash she faced after Adore’s elimination and even season nine of ‘Drag Race’, which will air in 2017...

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Michelle Visage
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There’s plenty to discuss about the new series of ‘All Stars’, let’s start with Adore. Was it a big surprise when she walked?
Yes, absolutely. Adore is a fighter, so the fact that she walked was a little shocking to me. I understand her choice, because if she didn’t want to be there, why should she stay there? If I didn’t want to be there, I would have left too. I do believe that if she really wanted to be there, she would have stayed, so…

When you watch it, and you realise she didn’t want to be there, and she’s spoken since, again, if you don’t want to be somewhere, why put yourself in that position?

Do you still stand by your comments to Adore on the main stage?
I 100 per cent stand by what I said. I prefaced it by saying, “this is ‘All Stars 2’, so I’m absolutely taking no prisoners. This is the best of the best in the game”, and I felt that she came on a little... less than what I had hoped for. I feel like, at least, for the first runway, show me everything you got.

That doesn’t mean change who you are, that doesn’t mean be something you’re not, it means step up your game to the ultimate, at the very least for the first time you’re presenting. Because the last time we saw you, was on your season. I was hoping they’d all come with their A-games to show everybody how they’ve grown in their drag since they left the show. I love Adore, and I love Adore’s style, I just wanted it to be really stepped up, and I didn’t feel that it was.

And, of course, they didn’t show me talking about how great the performance was or anything like that, because that wasn’t as important. It was covered by other judges. She always sings great, she always performs great, and she knows that I love her, but to me, I felt let down.

We did see you apologising to her before she left in the following episode...
I apologised to her, because I don’t ever want anyone to… I didn’t apologise for what I said, and I still don’t apologise for what I said, it’s my job. It’s my job to critique drag, and the challenge was not just the performance. The challenge of ‘Drag Race’ is always the appearance and the challenge. It’s never just the challenge. It’s always the combination. My apology was because I love her, and I didn’t want her to think that it was something that it wasn’t.

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Adore Delano
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You took some heat from fans over your comments to Adore too, how did that make you feel?
I took a lot of heat. Death wishes… all that shit. It comes with the territory, so it didn’t really affect me. But what made me sad about the whole thing was a) this is a TV show, this isn’t real life, b) Adore and I are actually friends, for those that don’t know, c) Kids that I fight for every day when given a platform, every minute of every hour of every day that I can, I fight for these kids. I fight for them not to be bullied, I fight for their rights. And these are the first kids to attack me.

These kids with blocked accounts, you can’t see them but you can see they’re 15, 16 years old, same age as my own children… the first thing I did was ran home and said to my kids, ‘please promise me, as your mother, that you’ll never treat another human being the way I’m being treated right now’. And they looked me and said, ‘I swear, I’ll never, ever talk to anybody that way’. It’s kind of sad.

That seems to completely go against the the message of ‘RuPaul’s Drag Race’, the messages of inclusivity and honesty, which must have been disappointing?
Yeah, and if you watch it back. I really didn’t say anything hateful. At all. Adore and I were texting each other when it aired, and when all that happened, she was like, ‘I am disgusted by what I’m seeing out there’. But it didn’t disgust me, it actually made me sad, because these are the kids who are not getting the message. They’re missing the point. They’re not understanding what we’re fighting for here. They’re just perpetuating a really, really bad reputation that we’re getting within the community. And it’s not good.

The beautiful thing about ‘Drag Race’ is it’s the most inclusive television show, probably on the planet. It’s the place where kids go because they feel like they don’t fit in anywhere else, it’s the place they go to feel safe. It’s the place they go, even though they’re a weirdo and they’re not “the norm”, there are other people who are just like them. And that’s why when the kids turned and attacked me like nothing I’ve ever seen, it didn’t make me angry, it just made me sad. Because, whatever the issue is, whether it’s entitlement or whatever, it’s kind of eclipsing the fact that we’ve got work to do. And it’s obvious, after that happened.

Again, everybody’s going to have their own opinion, but there’s no place for hate in any of it.

Even the way that people are throwing hate at Phi Phi [O’Hara, a recently-eliminated contestant on ‘RuPaul’s Drag Race All Stars’]. Phi Phi can say whatever she wants, I don’t really care. But at the same time, nobody should be saying such awful, awful things. It’s just. A fucking. Television show.

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Phi Phi O'Hara (in green), poses with her fellow 'All Stars' competitors, Ginger Minj, Alyssa Edwards, Alaska Thunderfuck 5000 and Tatianna
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Let’s talk about Phi Phi, what do you have to say about her comments that she’s been given a “villain edit”?
Listen, I love Phi Phi. Phi Phi knows I love Phi Phi. But I don’t know what a “villain edit” is. I could say the same thing, that they edit me to be a “villain”, but at the end of the day, I say what I say. Nobody puts words in my mouth, that’s why when you ask me if I stand by what I said to Adore, of course!

My friendship with her is separate from her on the TV show. I think it’s upsetting that it’s come to this because, you know… this has been a great outlet for her artistry. It’s a shame, but it’s the way that things go sometimes. 

And RuPaul has been my best friend for more than 20 years, and has done nothing but great things for me - and let me tell ya, there’s been a lot of times I’ve sat on that panel and looked like a monster for the things that I’ve said. But I said it, I can’t blame Ru for it.

I’ve never had a problem with Phi Phi, and I never will. I’m friends with Jaremi [Carey, Phi Phi’s name out of drag] separate from what happened on the show. I’m not going to comment because that’s his storyline, not mine. I’m still going on with the show, I’ll still be here season 20.

I love what the show does, I love the way that the show has storylines to follow. If I were sweet, Paula Abdul every episode, it wouldn’t be as exciting as me being who I truly am and being tough with these girls.

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Ru and Michelle at the Creative Arts Emmy Awards
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RuPaul just won the Emmy for Outstanding Reality TV Host. It’s his award, but it must feel like a victory for the show too?
It is a victory for the show, but it’s 100 per cent RuPaul’s Emmy, and I don’t want anybody to take away from the fact that RuPaul won the Emmy. This is Ru’s Emmy - we’re all part of the family, but he owns it, and it’s the most amazing and exciting thing that I could have witnessed. To be by his side was the most unbelievable experience.

His Emmys outfit also felt like a real statement...
That’s Ru - that’s just him being true to who he is. He’s amazing, he’s independent and he marches to the beat of his own drummer.

Season nine of ‘Drag Race’ just wrapped up filming - how would you describe the new batch of queens?
Intense. For season nine, some of these queens have grown up watching the show, so they’re here to frigging play.

What’s the most exciting part of hitting the road with a bunch of fabulous drag queens for the ‘Christmas Queens’ UK tour?
Well I hit the road with a bunch of drag queens every year, sometimes two times a year. Again, as such a fan of drag, it’s the art form that excites me and the longform presentation that they do. So it’s super exciting to be with them, doing what they love to do, and doing it well.

Listen, any time you get to see a bunch of drag queens performing music and performing songs and being idiots, I’m in.

Michelle Visage and fellow ‘RuPaul’s Drag Race’ stars Alaska, Manila Luzon, Katya and Phi Phi O’Hara will be touring the UK in December for the ‘Christmas Queens’ tour. For more information, including glamorous VIP packages, click here.

Life Lessons We've Learned From Drag Queens
RuPaul (01 of15)
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"You're born naked and the rest is drag."Can't get enough of the legendary RuPaul? Check out her website and follow her on Twitter @RuPaul. (credit:Photo Courtesy of Mathu Andersen)
Lady Bunny(02 of15)
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"Our kind looks into a mirror and visualizes something entirely different from what's actually there. Not to confuse drag with transsexualism, but there is another character inside us, which only we can see and we're prepared to endure pain and derision to create our visions. So drag can teach others to think outside the box, use our imaginations, to act on instinct and to have the courage to do all of the above. I imagine that all of these traits must've come to play at the Stonewall riots. 'Imagine' and 'must've' are my attempts to make sure you know that I'm not old enough to have been around back then!"Love the Lady Bunny? Check out her website and follow her on Twitter @LADYBUNNY77. (credit:Photo Courtesy of Lady Bunny )
Sharon Needles(03 of15)
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"Don't take yourself so seriously. Enjoy the shade that is being thrown your way. Remember, the more shade that is thrown your way, the less chance for skin cancer.""RuPaul wasn't kidding when she said what other people think of you isn't none of your god damn business!""The biggest tip I ever got was from the great Lady Bunny…Retire!!!"Can't get enough of Sharon? Visit her website and find her on Facebook and Twitter @SHARON_NEEDLES. (credit:Photo Courtesy of David Charpentier)
Raja Gemini (04 of15)
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"Drag is spiritual, it is ancient and it's a fucking blast. What began as an escape from reality for me, now feels more like a reconnection with my inner self, like going to church. It is primal; drag, flamboyance, and flair are part of many indigenous cultures, used often to magnify the male prowess and libido. It is individual like a fingerprint and should be worn with the fiercest intention. As the great actor Alan Cumming once said to me many years ago: 'Do it with a look,' (said with a Scottish accent) which I believe means 'Do it your way, be authentic, and own it.'"Need more Raja in your life? Check out her website and find her on Facebook and Twitter @sutanamrull. (credit:Photo Courtesy of Diana Coney)
BeBe Zahara Benet(05 of15)
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"Drag, if done right, could benefit you in more ways than one. What is the right way? The right way is how you feel & you being comfortable. Set boundaries and stand by them.A piece of advise I will share with you, from personal experience is: Don't lose yourself. Be true to you and be proud. Drag is an art and you are the canvas. No matter how you paint or perform, you are what matters. Criticism will come in both good and bad. Take whatever it is and use it to your advantage. Drag has the ability to give you a different sense of self-esteem."Want to connect with BeBe? Find her on Facebook and on Twitter @BeBeZaharaBenet. (credit:Photo Courtesy of BeBe Zahara Benet)
Chad Michaels(06 of15)
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Drag has taught me:1) You don't always have to like the people you work with. Co-exist. Velma Kelly.2) Brain trumps mouth every time. Think about what you say before you say it. 3) Fight when you have to fight, duck and cover when you can. Survival tactics.4) Do what you love because nothing else will ever make you happy. Mantra.5) Ease up on yourself, because most people are WAY more screwed up than you. Revelation.Love Chad Michaels? Check out her website and find her on Facebook and Twitter @ChadMichaels1. (credit:Photo Courtesy of Jose Guzman Colon)
Nina Flowers (07 of15)
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"Growing up and coming out under the pressures of Latin culture was very difficult. As a child, I was constantly being bullied for being different. It was so hard and difficult that it made me change my mannerisms in order to avoid the hostility. I changed to the point that I became a different person. Discovering drag was a doorway to escape, releasing all that energy that was locked up inside for so many years. I'm extremely grateful I discovered the art form of drag. Drag gave me back a true part of myself. It gave me a reason to understand the true meaning of the word PRIDE, and how important it is to show your true colors." Want to keep up with Nina? Check out her website and be sure to find her on Facebook and Twitter @DJNinaFlowers. (credit:Photo Courtesy of Nina Flowers )
Chi Chi LaRue(08 of15)
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"My Love of drag transcends the stage or DJ booth for me! Drag helped me come out of my fat boy shell and embrace who I was. Drag is all about expression and individuality and as far as I'm concerned, anyone who has the "balls" to put themselves out there is already a star! I think it should be a requirement of life to don drag at least once. Work out your inner CHER!"Keep up with Chi Chi by checking out her Facebook page and following her on Twitter @DJChiChiLaRue. (credit:Photo Courtesy of Chi Chi LaRue)
Alaska (09 of15)
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- Keep Trying: "It took me five years to finally get on RuPaul's Drag Race. Either the casting directors got sick of seeing my rotted audition reels, or persistence pays off. Either way -- don't give up." - Tip: "No really -- tip everyone. The waitress bringing you your fifth bloody mary; the drag queen mush-mouthing to Donna Summer; the lady who cleans the makeup ring from out of your hotel sink. Tip them all, and not just 20 percent either. It's good karma -- and people who don't tip have small wieners." - "Don't take any wooden nickels: Not sure what this one means, but it seems like reasonable advice."Keep up with Alaska by visiting her website and following her on Twitter @Alaska5000 and Facebook. Oh, and be sure to watch her on "RuPaul's Drag Race" Season Five now airing on Logo. (credit:Photo Courtesy of David Charpentier)
Vicky Vox(10 of15)
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"When you know who you are, where you are going, where you came from, what you are doing and why -- it is very hard for you to take other people's critiques (requests) or personal attacks seriously. You just won't give a damn. What is the point in trying to do what everyone else is doing? They are already doing that. Do you, boo. You better work... Harder!"Extra Tips: "Prior preparation prevents piss-poor production! (This is why I'm always late. I leave everything until the last minute even though I know better.) Can't afford a new push up bra? Wear three old bras instead. Use one to lift the knockers up. One to bring them together. Then one to smooth them all out! Boop boop.. You've got bigger boobs!"Stay in touch with Vicky on her Facebook and by following her on Twitter @thevickyvox. (credit:Photo Courtesy of Vicky Vox)
Sherry Vine(11 of15)
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"Drag can be thought-provoking, moving and sometimes even frightening; but drag should always be entertaining. My drag tip - be creative, be entertaining, be proud! I live by the expression -- laughter is the best medicine!"Want to keep up with Sherry? Check out her website, YouTube page and Twitter account @MissSherryVine. (credit:Photo Courtesy of Sherry Vine)
Tammie Brown (12 of15)
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"Drag has given me the experience to open up to my artistic side and to express myself as a human being. I find that these garments, these clothes, are really really neat. It's like my body is a canvas.Don't let things hold you back and always be open because things are always changing. Take what you got and use it. You're the canvas and use it and be creative. Always shoot big and aim high!"Want to keep up with Tammie? Check out her website and find her on Facebook and Twitter @thetammiebrown. (credit:Photo Courtesy of Tammie Brown)
Yara Sofia(13 of15)
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"Pretend you're the best -- point blank. When I'm in drag, I always say, 'They live in my world. I don't live in theirs.' But don't be shady unless somebody comes for you or tries to. 'I'm not a bitch, but if you're a bitch, I'm the mom of all of them.'" "Echa pa lante!"Keep up with Yara by checking out her website and finding her on Facebook and Twitter @yarasofiapr. (credit:Photo Courtesy of Yara Sofia )
Pandora Boxx(14 of15)
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"Drag is about having fun. If you're having fun with it and enjoying yourself, others will too. Even if you're a booger queen. Just be the best damn booger out there! And the same is true with life in general. Also: When in doubt, toss some glitter on it."Want to keep up with Pandora? Check out her website and find her on Facebook and Twitter @ThePandoraBoxx. (credit:Photo Courtesy of Dusti Cunningham)
Hedda Lettuce(15 of15)
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"It's not my business what people think about me. Show biz and the drag scene can be very back biting, and if you let people's opinions of you dictate how you feel about yourself, you are screwed.No matter what size you are, it is all about attitude. When you walk into the room, own it girl! And when you walk out, sell it baby! Give them one last impression that will make them weep."Want to keep up with Hedda Lettuce, "The Queen of Green?" Check out her website and find her on Facebook and Twitter @HeddaLettucenyc. (credit:Photo Courtesy of Hedda Lettuce)

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